2002 Rookie Draft Peak Grades

Dec 1, 2022 14:02:10 GMT -5 Icarus said:

I do think Iggy may deserve a higher inside scoring peak. I think B- is appropriate for his shooting peak as he was never super consistent from 3 or inside the arc but obviously capable. But inside, I think he proved himself as a high efficiency slasher with elite athleticism. The athleticism alone made Darius Miles a B peak - Iggy deserves that too

I'm not sure when Iguodala proved himself as a high efficiency slasher, but I do agree that his athleticism (and trust me, I only changed his athleticism) deserves a boost. His INS has moved to B as a result.

Dec 2, 2022 12:18:42 GMT -5 Icarus said:

My only LeBron gripe… rebounding.

Shawn Marion is at a B- currently with presumably similar but maybe a bit worse athleticism than LeBron.

He averaged 7.1 rebounds this season. LeBron’s average, not peak, is above that for his entire career at the same position.

I’d think he deserves a B- at his peak, and probably a fairly high B-. At SF he’ll never put up a huge number in FBB but it’s worth considering that he’s elite for a point forward in that area.

I can't base the ratings off a player's output in one given season in this file after training camps and roster construction and all. LeBron is and should be a worse rebounder than Marion.

Dec 2, 2022 12:56:46 GMT -5 mzylinski said:

Nene

His defense should be a B+ his average of over a steal per game along his other defensive stats made him stand out more than some Centers. Also his Handling should be bumped up a spot with his assists and startling and good hands to accomplish both.

Nene's defensive rating being at a B is a testament to how good I think he was. I don't see a reason to go any higher.

Dec 3, 2022 12:35:14 GMT -5 snipe said:

Livvy C+ outside? He was pretty good in the midrange, no?

He does have a good Jump Shot rating, it's just impossible to get him past C with his lack of three-point prowess.

Dec 5, 2022 12:38:33 GMT -5 snipe said:

Darius Miles probably got a high jump rating but probably should have his ins o down to B-

I think same with KMart. Had some ok scoring seasons but with not super great efficiency. He was pretty athletic which is probably why his inside game is at B+ but id lower it to a B.

I'm fine lowering Miles to a B-, but he does have a very high jump rating that's always going to make his INS look good.

Martin is a bouncy big with a high jump rate for the position; he would have B inside otherwise.

Dec 5, 2022 12:08:58 GMT -5 kdogg said:

I think Pietrus deserves B- defense. In his “peak” he was often tasked with guarding the opposing teams best wing and him having the same rating there as Mike Miller and Melo doesn’t seem right to me.

I'm fine with this, upping to B-.

Dec 5, 2022 17:43:54 GMT -5 dez said:

Iggy B- > B Inside

Seems low he’s always been mad athletic, had springs his first few years and even still now can get up there

Arenas B- > C+ defense
Gil needs to be a liability on defense lol .. the chucking is there though lol

Kenyon C > C- outside/handle

C for each seems a little high, didn’t really operate outside the paint offensively or create off dribble.


Homer Gripes

Juanny C > C+ inside
Was more of a slasher middy player then anything, I believe his inside should be higher then outside

Melo A- > A inside
In comparison to Bron I’d say he’s a more capable inside scorer, arsenal in that post is way more advanced

Arenas has very high steal ratings that buoy his defense.

As for Martin, I'm fine lowering his OUT to a C-, but he was a better passer than I think you're giving him credit for.

Dec 5, 2022 18:19:42 GMT -5 raidernation said:

Mike Miller C handles feels light he was a plus ball handler and decent facilitator similar to Joe Johnson minus the athletics imo

His C is right on the fringe of C+

Dec 6, 2022 19:52:47 GMT -5 Icarus said:

I think we’re underestimating Al Jefferson’s rebounding here tbh. He was an 11rpg guy for 3 straight years in his peak and was always quite effective per minute.

Fine with this.

Change Log:
Al Jefferson OUT: C -> C-
Al Jefferson REB: B- -> B
Andre Iguodala INS: B- -> B
Darius Miles INS: B -> B-
Kenyon Martin OUT: C -> C-
Mehmet Okur DEF: C -> C+
Mickael Pietrus DEF: C+ -> B-
Shaun Livingston HAN: C+ -> B-
Shaun Livingston DEF: B- -> B

Dec 6, 2022 20:24:22 GMT -5 bosoxlover12 said:

Iguodala C+ handles
Arenas A- outside
Hakim Warrick C+ reb
JJack B- outside B handles
Perk B+ def (due to strength rating)
Scola B/B+ inside
Kmart B- reb
Pietrus B/B- def
Nene B- ins
Livingston C+ outside (high jumpshot low 3pt)
Zaza B- def

A lot to address here, some of which I already talked about so I'll try not to be redundant.
- Iguodala was a good playmaker/distributor as a wing, I don't want to take that away from him.
- Gilbert Arenas' ratings are fine to me.
- I agree that a B outside is too high for Jack, but I don't see a reason to bump his handling.
- Scola and Nene's inside grades are only different because of jumping ability, Scola's peak scoring rating is higher than Nene's by a decent bit.
- I don't agree with upping Kenyon's rebounding, I think his ratings are spot on at this point.
- Zaza suffers from lack of shot blocking, he's a good fundamentals defender.

Change Log:
- Jarrett Jack OUT: B -> B-

Change Log:
- Gilbert Arenas OUT: B+ -> B

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