2006 Rookie Draft Peak Grades

Name Pos INS OUT HAN DEF REB
Alan Anderson SF C B C- C C-
Alexander Johnson PF C C- D C C
Andrew Bynum C C+ C- D+ B- B
Anthony Tolliver PF C B D C C
Armon Johnson PG C C C C C-
Brandon Roy SG B+ B C+ C+ C-
C.J. Miles SF C+ B C- C+ C-
Cedric Bozeman SG C C- D C- D+
Chris Copeland SF C B D+ C C-
Chris Quinn PG C B- C C D
D.J. Augustin PG C B C+ C D+
D.J. White PF C C- D- C C
Daniel Ewing SG C C+ C- C D+
Danny Granger SF B B+ C B- C
Darius Washington SG C C+ C C C-
Darnell Jackson PF C C- D- C- C
Darryl Watkins C C D D C- C
David Lee PF B C- C C B-
Delonte West SG C+ B C+ C+ C-
Dijon Thompson SG C C D C C
Dominic McGuire SF C+ D+ D+ C+ C
Donell Taylor SG C C- C- C C-
Dontell Jefferson SG C C C- C- D+
Dorell Wright SF C+ B+ C- C+ C
Eric Dawson C C D- D C C
Ersan Ilyasova PF C+ B D+ C C+
Eugene Jeter PG C C C C D
George Hill PG C+ B+ C+ B- C-
Hassan Adams SG C C- D C C
Hassan Whiteside C B- C- D C+ A
Ian Mahinmi C C D+ D+ C+ C+
Ike Diogu PF C+ C D+ C C+
J.J. Hickson C B- D+ D+ C B
J.J. Redick SG C A- C C D+
James Thomas PF C D D- C C+
Jason Kapono SF C B+ D+ C- D+
Jason Maxiell PF C+ D+ D C+ C+
JaVale McGee C B- D+ D B- B
Joakim Noah C B- C- C B+ B+
Joe Crawford SG C C D+ D+ C-
Jordan Farmar PG C B C+ C D+
Josh McRoberts PF C+ C+ C C+ C
Kevin Seraphin C C+ C- D C+ C
Kosta Perovic C C C- D- C- C
Kyle Korver SG C A- C C C-
Lawrence Roberts PF C C- D- C C
Lou Amundson PF C D D B- B-
Luther Head SG C B+ C C C-
Marreese Speights C C+ C+ D C B-
Marvin Williams PF C+ B D+ C+ C
Mike Conley PG C+ B+ B+ B C-
Omer Asik C C+ D+ D C+ A-
Orien Greene PG C C C C+ C-
P.J. Tucker SF C+ B C- B+ C
Patrick O'Bryant C C D+ D+ C C
Randy Foye SG C+ B C C+ D+
Renaldo Balkman SF C C- D B- C
Roger Powell SF C C- D C- C
Ronnie Price PG C C+ C B- D+
Ronny Turiaf C C+ C- C- B C
Roy Hibbert C C+ C- D+ B B-
Shawne Williams SF C B D C+ C
Solomon Jones C C C- D C+ C
Stephen Curry PG B- A A- B- C
Steven Smith PF C D D- C- C
Sun Yue SG C C C- C- D
Tarence Kinsey SG C C+ D+ C C-
Thomas Gardner SG C C D C- D+
Travis Diener PG C B C+ C D+
Trevor Ariza SF B- B C B C
Uros Slokar C C C- D- C- C
Viktor Khryapa SF C C- D+ C C
Walker Russell PG C- C C C- D
Yaroslav Korolev SF C C D+ C D+
Zabian Dowdell PG C C C C D


Bynum was great inside presence during his time on the Lakers - he should be bumped up to B inside.

As a starter David Lee averaged 9-10 boards a game, peaking at nearly 12 boards a game for the Knicks. He should have B or B+ rebounding.

Depends how his defense is calculated, but even if Hassan's defense was overrated, he should at least have a B- or B defensive rating.

I would argue Trevor Ariza down to a C+ inside.

Jason Kapono is a career 43% shooter, a B+ outside might be understating his range.

Hassan Whiteside was a pretty good rim protector, a C+ defense might be a little low for him. I can see him in the B’s

Steph Curry being a B- on defense seems too high especially when you have a guy who has made an all defensive team and been the block leader twice as a C+

I'd consider bumping Steph's handles down to B+. While he has elite handles in real life he has never been on that level as a passer - I don't know how each stat affects the grade.

Noah's and Whiteside's outside should be decreased by a point imo. Weren't 3pt shooters, not even midrange shooters and even in the post they almost never scored outside the paint. C- is very generous considering Javale is the same and has D+

I’d bump stephs in to a B, he was almost as good around the rim converting floaters and wild layups as he was from the perimeter

Steph peak defense should be C+

Steph's inside should definitely be higher, maybe B or B+, he has an excellent layup package and is a very shifty finisher around the rim. His outside should be A+, if the greatest shooter of all time isn't an A+ outside, then who is? I'd actually argue that his defense should stay where it is right now, as he has always been someone who accumulates steals and he has been pretty good to excellent defensively over the past 3 years.

Andrew Bynum B-/B Inside - we talked before about injuries and how they effect a players peak, even though his was real short, with the current ratings, I don’t see him reaching 18/12/2bpg. Looking at how this league is with ratings (Yao being a B putting up the numbers he has as a main option) I could live with a B- inside or low B maybe give him a 50/50 potential rating before the randomization? To keep him from becoming Shaq v2? But what’s really wrong with that? Right? That’s why the potential randomization is there! As a comparison I’d say he was definitely more of a post scoring threat/had more moves then Whiteside who’s a B- currently

Brandon Roy B-/B handle - Roy was one of the best iso players in the league at his peak, also a very unique skill set at SG with his ability to do everything offensively (Kobe said this himself!), I think his ratings should reflect that uniqueness, I do love the B+/B Inside/outside I think that’s spot on, but even though he didn’t generate alot of assists he should have a pretty high quickness/ball handling rating .. passing low enough to keep his numbers realistic but not a 5TO guy? B+BBC+C- yessir

David Lee B+/A- Rebounding - Lee was a GREAT rebounder, amount the leagues best honestly (avg over 10rpg cumulatively as a starter in his career didn’t avg less then 8.9) AND he had bunnies, so I think this rating could end up kind of inflated, sneaky strength for a skinny guy too .. definitely deserves a B+ at minimum imo

Hassan Whiteside B- defense - like stated before a guy who has made a All Defensive team should definitely have a higher defensive rating + higher peak rating then ZBo’s currently (no disrespects I understand it’s up to TC once the ratings are made lol) I understand wanting to keep him realistic too, and not one of those OP FBB builds, but bigs with his skill set have been underwhelming so far this league he should definitely be a premier go rebound guy

Joakim Noah C+ Handle - not even sure if it’s possible to get a center that high lol but Noah’s playmaking at Center ?exquisite. Remember the offense ran through him those playoff runs with Rose out!? I think it’s almost a must to have him at C+, b/c Joker I’m sure will have a B- somehow .. my dude deserves the respect too as a generational playmaking big. Maybe drop his inside to curb him being a OP threat offensively ? C+C-C+B+B+ looks reeal JoakimNoah-ish

Curry needs his own post

A+ outside

I think this one is non-debatable my friend, here we have Stephen Wardell Curry, the leagues GREATEST 3 point shooter of all-time. A man who has single handily, changed how the game is played… GENERATIONAL talent by the definition! So his rating here should reflect so, he stands alone as the greatest shooter of all time at this point irl, I’d even compromise myself and bargain dropping his defense to C+ lol

.. even if it’s a A+ rating on the dot.. I mean if a 90 is a A+ let him have that 90 CC.. its Curry

Roy Hibbert should have a B+/A- DEF imo he was one of the greatest rim protectors in the league during his prime

Trevor Ariza should be a B+ defender if PJ tucker has a B+, was an elite defender in his prime

Think Javale McGee deserves a B defense as a cap. Career 1200+ blocks and was a great post defender through his prime.

May 22, 2023 14:50:58 GMT -5 daulten780 said:

Bynum was great inside presence during his time on the Lakers - he should be bumped up to B inside.

As a starter David Lee averaged 9-10 boards a game, peaking at nearly 12 boards a game for the Knicks. He should have B or B+ rebounding.

Depends how his defense is calculated, but even if Hassan's defense was overrated, he should at least have a B- or B defensive rating.

I would argue Trevor Ariza down to a C+ inside.

- Andrew Bynum: I can agree with upping his INS grade, but I cannot get it all the way to a B. His prime was too short-lived and he got hurt immediately after his career year.
- David Lee: In his prime as a scorer he kind of dipped as a rebounder a tad. His B- grade was right on the fringe, I can up it a smidge to get it to a B, which I think is deserved, but I'm going to knock his scoring a tad to make up for it (no grade change there).
- Hassan Whiteside: I've given him a block rating on par with the best shot blockers I've made so far, but the guy was not a good defender, as I detailed in the Discord. Let's ask your friend ChatGPT about it:

Hassan Whiteside's reputation as a bad defender despite his shot-blocking ability can be attributed to several factors:

Limited defensive impact: While shot-blocking is an important defensive skill, it is not the sole indicator of a player's overall defensive ability. Whiteside's shot-blocking numbers may have been impressive, but it's important to consider other defensive aspects such as positioning, communication, and overall team defense. Whiteside often focused on chasing blocks, which sometimes led to him leaving his assigned position and compromising team defense.

Poor pick-and-roll defense: Whiteside struggled in defending pick-and-roll situations, which are a common offensive tactic used in the NBA. He sometimes had difficulty navigating screens, making the right defensive rotations, or properly challenging the ball-handler. This weakness allowed opposing teams to exploit him in these situations, leading to breakdowns in the defense.

Lack of versatility: Whiteside's defensive skills were often limited to protecting the rim. He had difficulty defending in space or on the perimeter, particularly against smaller, quicker players. This made him a liability when opposing teams spread the floor or utilized a mobile big man who could pull him away from the basket.

Inconsistent effort and focus: Whiteside's defensive performance varied throughout his career, with questions surrounding his consistency and effort level. There were instances where he appeared disengaged or lacked the necessary intensity on the defensive end. This inconsistency further contributed to his reputation as a subpar defender.

Defensive rebounding concerns: Although not directly related to shot-blocking, Whiteside's focus on pursuing blocks sometimes resulted in him neglecting his rebounding responsibilities. Rebounding is a crucial aspect of team defense, and Whiteside's tendency to prioritize shot-blocking over securing the rebound could lead to second-chance opportunities for opponents.

While Hassan Whiteside's shot-blocking prowess is undeniable, it's important to consider the overall defensive impact and the various facets of defense beyond shot-blocking alone. These factors collectively contributed to his reputation as a limited or subpar defender.

The C+ grade is right on the fringe. I'd consider a B- bump, but I definitely couldn't go any higher than that.

- Trevor Ariza: This is fair. It was a product of a high Jumping rating that I've since lowered. C+ is a fair INS grade for him.

Thank you for the gripes.

May 22, 2023 14:52:25 GMT -5 shellystrick4l said:

Jason Kapono is a career 43% shooter, a B+ outside might be understating his range.

He was a great shooter but on very low volume. Even in a season where he played a career high 26.4 minutes per game, he only shot 3.1 threes per game. That separates him from guys like Redick and Korver who were great shooters on high volume.

May 22, 2023 14:53:20 GMT -5 shellystrick4l said:

Hassan Whiteside was a pretty good rim protector, a C+ defense might be a little low for him. I can see him in the B’s

May 22, 2023 14:57:25 GMT -5 shellystrick4l said:

Steph Curry being a B- on defense seems too high especially when you have a guy who has made an all defensive team and been the block leader twice as a C+

As I mentioned above, Hassan Whiteside has an incredibly high block rating, and is not rated highly in any other defensive category. Him getting voted All-Defense solely because of his block numbers doesn't change the fact that he was not a high impact defender.

Comparing him to a guard doesn't really make much sense, but I'll stand by Curry's B- grade since you brought it up.

Thank you for the gripes.

May 22, 2023 15:06:54 GMT -5 daulten780 said:

I'd consider bumping Steph's handles down to B+. While he has elite handles in real life he has never been on that level as a passer - I don't know how each stat affects the grade.

The standards for the HAN grade are lower than any other grade. He's at an A- despite a passing grade in the high 60's. I don't think his passing should be lower than that, personally.

May 22, 2023 15:07:14 GMT -5 nickmolyvia said:

Noah's and Whiteside's outside should be decreased by a point imo. Weren't 3pt shooters, not even midrange shooters and even in the post they almost never scored outside the paint. C- is very generous considering Javale is the same and has D+

The standard for C- is low, I'd argue there's a better case for McGee being brought up to that level than downgrading the other two.

Thanks for the gripe.

May 22, 2023 15:17:14 GMT -5 licensedbullshark said:

I’d bump stephs in to a B, he was almost as good around the rim converting floaters and wild layups as he was from the perimeter

Well considering he's the best three-point shooter of all-time, I definitely do not think there's an argument he was as good around the rim.

May 22, 2023 16:12:56 GMT -5 Mexi said:

Steph peak defense should be C+

I'll stand by Curry's defensive peak in real life being above average and that he deserves a B- grade.

May 22, 2023 17:03:13 GMT -5 redauerbachsghost said:

Steph's inside should definitely be higher, maybe B or B+, he has an excellent layup package and is a very shifty finisher around the rim. His outside should be A+, if the greatest shooter of all time isn't an A+ outside, then who is? I'd actually argue that his defense should stay where it is right now, as he has always been someone who accumulates steals and he has been pretty good to excellent defensively over the past 3 years.

Just the fact that he had a good layup package doesn't mean he did enough damage over the course of his career to warrant a higher INS grade. Factor in that the second most impactful rating regarding INS is Jumping (certainly not Curry's specialty), and I'm fine with him at B- for now. Regarding his OUT grade, he's got the highest grade ever given out, it's just the algorithm.

May 26, 2023 8:54:50 GMT -5 CC06 said:

May 22, 2023 15:07:14 GMT -5 nickmolyvia said:

Noah's and Whiteside's outside should be decreased by a point imo. Weren't 3pt shooters, not even midrange shooters and even in the post they almost never scored outside the paint. C- is very generous considering Javale is the same and has D+

The standard for C- is low, I'd argue there's a better case for McGee being brought up to that level than downgrading the other two.

Thanks for the gripe.

Then yeah bumping Javale up to a C- may be the way to go. I would argue he was the best shooter between the 3 so having a lower grade than those 2 seems off

I argue for Alan Anderson defense C+

Delonte West defense B-

DJ Augustin defense C+, handling B- and offensively one upgrade, making him either C B+ or C+ B would be fair, imo

Ian Mahinmi B- defense, C+ inside

JJ Redick C+ inside, C+ defense.

Maxiell B- inside, B- rebounding

Korver C+ inside, C+ defense

McRoberts B- inside, C+ rebounding

Amundson C+ inside

Steph Curry B+ inside

and keep Ariza as is or bump defense to B+

Bynum B inside
Delonte B- outside
George Hill B- outside C handle
Whiteside B def
Mahinmi B- def
Hibbert B- inside

I forgot, David Lee B- or B handling

and at least B rebounding

May 22, 2023 21:10:14 GMT -5 dez said:

Andrew Bynum B-/B Inside - we talked before about injuries and how they effect a players peak, even though his was real short, with the current ratings, I don’t see him reaching 18/12/2bpg. Looking at how this league is with ratings (Yao being a B putting up the numbers he has as a main option) I could live with a B- inside or low B maybe give him a 50/50 potential rating before the randomization? To keep him from becoming Shaq v2? But what’s really wrong with that? Right? That’s why the potential randomization is there! As a comparison I’d say he was definitely more of a post scoring threat/had more moves then Whiteside who’s a B- currently

Brandon Roy B-/B handle - Roy was one of the best iso players in the league at his peak, also a very unique skill set at SG with his ability to do everything offensively (Kobe said this himself!), I think his ratings should reflect that uniqueness, I do love the B+/B Inside/outside I think that’s spot on, but even though he didn’t generate alot of assists he should have a pretty high quickness/ball handling rating .. passing low enough to keep his numbers realistic but not a 5TO guy? B+BBC+C- yessir

David Lee B+/A- Rebounding - Lee was a GREAT rebounder, amount the leagues best honestly (avg over 10rpg cumulatively as a starter in his career didn’t avg less then 8.9) AND he had bunnies, so I think this rating could end up kind of inflated, sneaky strength for a skinny guy too .. definitely deserves a B+ at minimum imo

Hassan Whiteside B- defense - like stated before a guy who has made a All Defensive team should definitely have a higher defensive rating + higher peak rating then ZBo’s currently (no disrespects I understand it’s up to TC once the ratings are made lol) I understand wanting to keep him realistic too, and not one of those OP FBB builds, but bigs with his skill set have been underwhelming so far this league he should definitely be a premier go rebound guy

Joakim Noah C+ Handle - not even sure if it’s possible to get a center that high lol but Noah’s playmaking at Center ?exquisite. Remember the offense ran through him those playoff runs with Rose out!? I think it’s almost a must to have him at C+, b/c Joker I’m sure will have a B- somehow .. my dude deserves the respect too as a generational playmaking big. Maybe drop his inside to curb him being a OP threat offensively ? C+C-C+B+B+ looks reeal JoakimNoah-ish

May 22, 2023 21:35:05 GMT -5 dez said:

Curry needs his own post

A+ outside

I think this one is non-debatable my friend, here we have Stephen Wardell Curry, the leagues GREATEST 3 point shooter of all-time. A man who has single handily, changed how the game is played… GENERATIONAL talent by the definition! So his rating here should reflect so, he stands alone as the greatest shooter of all time at this point irl, I’d even compromise myself and bargain dropping his defense to C+ lol

.. even if it’s a A+ rating on the dot.. I mean if a 90 is a A+ let him have that 90 CC.. its Curry

- Andrew Bynum: Already address his INS grade and bumped it from a C+ to B-. As I've mentioned before, I look at peaks as stretches of seasons where a player was at their best, not one year aberrations like Bynum's 2011-12 season that were never replicated.
- Brandon Roy: I'm fine with upping his HAN grade to a B-.
- David Lee: Already addressed Lee's REB grade, it's at a B now.
- Hassan Whiteside: Already addressed his defensive grade. He was voted All-Defensive team because of gaudy shot blocking numbers, and I've given him one of the highest Blocking ratings in the entire prospect database for TSFBL II. He was a bad defender in just about every other aspect, and has been graded as such.
- Joakim Noah: It's going to be impossible to get his HAN grade to a C+, but I will up his Passing rating a bit.
- Stephen Curry: You have to get to a 96 in FBB for an A+ OUT grade. I think Steph will be fine at A. He's the only A peak OUT grade in the database.

Thanks for the gripes.

May 23, 2023 1:16:38 GMT -5 licensedbullshark said:

Roy Hibbert should have a B+/A- DEF imo he was one of the greatest rim protectors in the league during his prime

May 23, 2023 15:58:51 GMT -5 licensedbullshark said:

Trevor Ariza should be a B+ defender if PJ tucker has a B+, was an elite defender in his prime

- Roy Hibbert: Roy was a great rim protector and his B DEF grade is right on the fringe, but I think it's also important to remember that shortly after his "prime" he was played out of the league because he was so immobile and these are things that matter in the defensive grade as well.
- Trevor Ariza: I'm fine upping Ariza to a B+ DEF grade.

Thanks for the gripes.

May 23, 2023 16:05:54 GMT -5 bironronso said:

Think Javale McGee deserves a B defense as a cap. Career 1200+ blocks and was a great post defender through his prime.

I'm very self-conscious about giving ratings to role guys like JaVale McGee that basically turn them into all-star level bigs. He has a high Blocking rating but I feel McGee with B DEF and REB grades would be far too OP.