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Post by licensedbullshark on Jul 7, 2023 19:57:20 GMT -5
Deron Williams deserves higher peak scoring grades Imo should be a B/B+ at least he was one of the deadliest 3 level scorers in the league during his prime
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Post by redauerbachsghost on Jul 7, 2023 20:01:53 GMT -5
Gary Neal should be up to a C+ INS, was a decent inside scorer as well as a good shooter. Might also consider dropping his defense to a D+.
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Post by redauerbachsghost on Jul 7, 2023 20:08:09 GMT -5
DERON WILLIAMS: should have a B+ OUT at least, was pretty consistently great from 3 and the midrange in his prime (also shot more than 36% from 3 for a majority of his career)
Should also have a B INS, he was an elite finisher in his prime.
Would argue for his REB to be upped to C as well, he was decent for a guard (abt 4.5 RPG in his prime)
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Post by CC06 on Jul 8, 2023 6:54:16 GMT -5
Lowry B- inside with mostly a strength upgrade Bargnani: defense C is okay with me, but I'd argue he was a top post defender and one of the worst perimeter and drive defenders. I think his scoring deserves B- B+ Bigs don't get much volume, unless their inside is B- or higher. he needs it to match his career high in ppg imo - Kyle Lowry: He's not far from the fringe, and his Strength rating is already incredibly high for a guard. - Andrea Bargnani: Well, I think it's worth noting that a lot of Bargnani's scoring was empty calorie stuff. His C+ INS grade is precisely on the fringe. I'm fine giving him the slightest of boosts to B- INS grade, but I still would not expect him to be a 14+ PPG guy for his career here. Thanks for the gripes. |
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Post by CC06 on Jul 8, 2023 7:11:42 GMT -5
Adam Morrison is perfect. Guy was a scrub. Would lower Affalo’s inside to a C. His ratings feel like he’s a potential Larry Hughes situation. I think Bass is a B - inside guy. Guy had a great elbow jumper and could finish at the rim of two feet. Deron is good..maybe could push for a B + outside. Would reverse Jeff Green’s scoring ratings. Bayless is a B + outside guy. I think Lowry’s peak inside rating is too high. Think he was a C at best in that. Batum’s defense should be a B. He was a notorious 3/D guy in Portland and Charlotte imo. Think you could raise Sean Williams to a C+ inside rating. He was a damn good lob threat/paint finisher. - Arron Afflalo: I think he deserves that C+ INS grade. If anything, him being B+ OUT grade is the one that catches my eye more, but I think it's okay. Worth noting that Larry Hughes' peak scoring grades were C+ INS / B- OUT, he just had insane TC luck. - Brandon Bass: Worth noting here that the elbow jumper you speak of would impact his OUT grade more than INS. - Deron Williams: Good shout, I'm good with upping him to B+ OUT. - Jeff Green: I definitely think Green should top out with B- INS. Perhaps you're onto something with his OUT grade needing to be lowered. I moved him to the fringe but he's just hanging on. - Jerryd Bayless: I think B OUT is fine for him. Worth noting he's close to the fringe. - Kyle Lowry: Already addressed his INS grade above in the other direction -- very high Strength rating for a guard and a good enough scorer to warrant C+ grade. - Nicolas Batum: Already addressed this. - Sean Williams: I'll move his INS grade right to the fringe. I do agree with him as a lob threat but he certainly wasn't much of a threat to score outside of that. Thank you for the gripes as always. |
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Post by CC06 on Jul 8, 2023 7:12:13 GMT -5
Sean Williams deserves a C+ inside based off what should presumably be really solid athleticism for a PF/C. He shot 51% in his career and was a 54% shooter during his admittedly short peak (rookie year) in which he averaged over 3 blocks and 11 points per 36. Already addressed above, he's right on the fringe. |
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Post by CC06 on Jul 8, 2023 7:18:56 GMT -5
Would argue that Wilson Chandler's REB grade should be a C+, he averaged 5-6 RPG at his peak, pretty decent for a shooting guard. Also his OUT should be downgraded to a B-, as he was a career 34% 3pt shooter and only went above 36% 3pt shooting in a season twice. Mirza Teletovic, while he had a short career, was a high level 3pt shooter on good volume. should be a B+ OUT, especially if you keep Wilson Chandler at a B, as Teletovic was a significantly better outside shooter than chandler. I would also downgrade Teletovic's defense, he never averaged even 1 steal or block per game, maybe make it a C-. Would up Rashad McCants's INS to a C+, his FG% close to the basket was about 60% in his (short) prime. - Wilson Chandler Since you're new to the game, I just want to point out that rebounding grades are not position-specific. For example, Jason Kidd wouldn't have an A REB grade just because he's a great rebounder for a guard. To my knowledge, the only grade that goes up and down with position (not factoring in rating caps) is DEF. - Mirza Teletovic: I'm fine with upping him to B+ OUT grade. Definitely should have some separation from Gasol/Horford imo. - Rashad McCants: I'll give him a boost, but I'm going to stick with C INS grade. He's right on the fringe, just like Sean Williams. Thanks for the gripes. |
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Post by CC06 on Jul 8, 2023 7:23:05 GMT -5
Brandon Bass should have a B- out, he was not a 3 pt shooter but had an elite midrange on the Celtics, at his peak he was the 2nd most efficent midrange scorer in the league. Deron Williams deserves higher peak scoring grades Imo should be a B/B+ at least he was one of the deadliest 3 level scorers in the league during his prime - Brandon Bass: Any time you see a player who almost never shot/made threes and an OUT grade of C, that should tell you that his Jump Shot rating is VERY high. Trust me, I know all about Bass' mid-range proficiency and have rated him as such. It'd be almost impossible to get his grade much higher without the ability to shoot threes. - Deron Williams: Already upped his OUT grade, I believe his INS is near the fringe but I'm fine where it is. Thanks for the gripes. |
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Post by CC06 on Jul 8, 2023 7:24:39 GMT -5
Gary Neal should be up to a C+ INS, was a decent inside scorer as well as a good shooter. Might also consider dropping his defense to a D+. DERON WILLIAMS: should have a B+ OUT at least, was pretty consistently great from 3 and the midrange in his prime (also shot more than 36% from 3 for a majority of his career) Should also have a B INS, he was an elite finisher in his prime. Would argue for his REB to be upped to C as well, he was decent for a guard (abt 4.5 RPG in his prime) - Gary Neal: I believe that B+ OUT will give him the ability to score just fine. D+ DEF might be a little harsh. - Deron Williams: Yup, already upped his OUT grade. Already addressed the INS above, and as I mentioned with Wilson Chandler, these rebounding grades are not position-specific. Thanks for your efforts from last night, much appreciated. |
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Post by Mexi on Jul 8, 2023 11:50:01 GMT -5
Horford has had pretty good assist to turnover ratios and I think he should be solid C, or at least reflect that in his handles. Maybe C- is fine. He should also have backup PF (should be starter eligible but I know that's not happening)
Guessing Westbrook A+ handles seem high because they're capped at SF? I'd say they're high but if that's the case it's fine.
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Post by jord on Jul 8, 2023 14:02:19 GMT -5
I'm thinking DJ Watson and Jerryd Bayless should be able to lead an outside focused offense.
I'd like Watson to have C+ inside too.
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Post by CC06 on Jul 10, 2023 10:56:19 GMT -5
Horford has had pretty good assist to turnover ratios and I think he should be solid C, or at least reflect that in his handles. Maybe C- is fine. He should also have backup PF (should be starter eligible but I know that's not happening) Guessing Westbrook A+ handles seem high because they're capped at SF? I'd say they're high but if that's the case it's fine. - Al Horford: Already addressed. - Russell Westbrook: I agree it looks jarring and perhaps is something to look into, but he also had many seasons averaging 10+ assists per game and we all know that Passing is by far the most influential rating for this grade. Thanks for the gripes. |
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Post by CC06 on Jul 10, 2023 10:57:15 GMT -5
I'm thinking DJ Watson and Jerryd Bayless should be able to lead an outside focused offense. I'd like Watson to have C+ inside too. Why would I want either of these players to be cheesed in an Outside offence? Both are career bench point guards for the most part. |
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Post by jord on Jul 10, 2023 11:14:58 GMT -5
I'm thinking DJ Watson and Jerryd Bayless should be able to lead an outside focused offense. I'd like Watson to have C+ inside too. Why would I want either of these players to be cheesed in an Outside offence? Both are career bench point guards for the most part. I just think it's realistic, they pretty much chucked away on the fast break lol. |
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