2001 Rookie Draft Peak Grades

Name Pos INS OUT HAN DEF REB
A.J. Guyton PG C B C- C- D
Alex Scales SG C C D+ C- D
Andre Barrett PG C C+ C C D+
Andy Panko SF C C D D+ C-
Antonis Fotsis PF C C+ D C C
Awvee Storey SF C C D C C
Bobby Simmons SF C+ B C- C+ C
Boris Diaw PF B- B- C+ C+ C
Brandon Armstrong SG C C+ D+ C D+
Caron Butler SF B B- C B- C
Charlie Bell SG C B C C D+
Courtney Alexander SG C+ B- C- C C-
DeShawn Stevenson SG C+ B- C C+ D+
Desmond Ferguson SF C B- D D+ D+
Desmond Mason SF B+ C C- C+ C
Devin Brown SG C+ B- C- C C
Etan Thomas C C+ D+ D B- C+
Gerald Wallace SF B C+ C A- C
Hiram Fuller PF C C- D+ C- C+
Ime Udoka SF C B D+ C+ C
Jackie Butler C C C- D C C
Jamaal Magloire C C+ C- D+ C+ B
Jamal Crawford SG C+ B+ C C D+
Jamario Moon SF C+ B- C- B- C
Jannero Pargo PG C B C C D+
Jared Jeffries PF C+ C- D+ C+ C
Jarron Collins C C C- D C C
Jeff Trepagnier SG C C+ C- C C-
Jerome Beasley PF C C- F+ D+ C-
Jerome Moiso PF C+ D+ D C+ C+
Jiri Welsch SG C B- C- C C-
Joel Przybilla C C D+ D- C+ B
Joseph Forte SG C C C- C C-
Josh Davis PF C C+ D C C
Junior Harrington SG C C C C D+
Kedrick Brown SF C C D+ C+ C
Lavor Postell SG C C+ D+ C D+
Lonny Baxter C C D+ D- C C+
Luis Flores PG C C+ C C D-
Maciej Lampe C C C- D- C- C
Malik Allen PF C+ C D C+ C
Mark Madsen C C+ D+ D C C+
Marko Jaric SG C B- C B- C-
Mateen Cleaves PG C C C C D+
Matt Walsh SG C C D+ C- D
Melvin Sanders SG C C D+ C C-
Mike Dunleavy SF C+ B C C+ C
Mike Smith SF C C- D C C-
Morris Peterson SF C+ B C- B- C-
Noel Felix SF C C D+ C C-
Pape Sow PF C C- D- C- C+
Paul McPherson SG C C- C- C C-
Pepe Sanchez PG C C C+ C D+
Rasual Butler SF C+ B+ D+ C+ C-
Richard Jefferson SF B+ B- C B- C
Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje C C- D+ D- C C
Shane Battier SF C+ B C- A- C
Smush Parker PG C B- C C+ D+
Steve Blake PG C B+ B- C+ D+
Stromile Swift PF B- C- D+ C+ C+
Tayshaun Prince SF B- B- C B C
Troy Murphy PF C+ B D+ C B-
Yao Ming C B C D+ B- B-
Zach Randolph PF B+ C C- C B+
Zoran Planinic SG C C C- C C-

Here's the 2001 Rookie Draft class, in full. Running a bit behind on the timeline this season, so just wanted to get ratings out there, even though I'm still combing through it myself. Just as before, these are the estimated peak ratings for these prospects, not how they will come into the league. The ratings are here to be griped; not providing input won't make the league move on any faster.

I think Diaw should be a slightly better rebounder, his peak came with the Hornets where he averaged 5, 5.2, and 5.9 boards. I know the rating could be slightly skewed if the offensive/defensive difference is noteworthy but still I believe he's a C+ rebounder

Crawford handle should be C+/B-

I knew Yao would suck

Can’t even give him a better jump shot? Dude was money inside the arc

I’d say CRASH has woefully low rebounding. I’d think B rebounding for him. He was ELITE on the boards as a wing. At least B-.

To me Diaw, Crawford deserve higher handles.

Stevenson, Devin Brown deserve higher defense. Especially DeShawn. Dude got torched by Kobe and LeBron for a living. Wait that doesn’t help my argument.

And my guy Stromboli is looking a bit weak. I think either defense or rebounding may deserve a bump.

More on Gerald Wallace. Career highs of 19.4ppg, 10rpg, 2.5spg, 2.1bpg

His “peak” is either his all star season of nearly 20-10-2-1.5-1.1 or his defensive peak of 15-7.5 with 4.6 STOCKS

I think his defensive grades look nice but I think his rebounding needs a bump!

Oct 11, 2022 10:29:12 GMT -5 raidernation said:

I think Diaw should be a slightly better rebounder, his peak came with the Hornets where he averaged 5, 5.2, and 5.9 boards. I know the rating could be slightly skewed if the offensive/defensive difference is noteworthy but still I believe he's a C+ rebounder

I don't agree with this. The totals you posted for a guy who was mostly playing PF and small-ball C at that point in his career would indicate a below-average rebounder, to me.

Feel like a 4x all nba defender like Prince should have peak defense higher than B. Is it because he low steal rates?

'Mal Crafword handles bump (career per 36 2 topg)?

Oct 11, 2022 10:33:55 GMT -5 dez said:

Crawford handle should be C+/B-

Perfectly fine with this, will have it in the next change log.

Oct 11, 2022 10:36:36 GMT -5 Icarus said:

I knew Yao would suck

Can’t even give him a better jump shot? Dude was money inside the arc

It's really hard to get an OUT rating above a C with a very low three-point rating (2/10 for his career).

But I will say, Yao doesn't suck. I think some of his letter grades might suffer from poor athleticism (quickness and jumping, specifically). I am going to increase his defensive rating to a B in all likelihood.

Oct 11, 2022 10:38:04 GMT -5 Icarus said:

I’d say CRASH has woefully low rebounding. I’d think B rebounding for him. He was ELITE on the boards as a wing. At least B-.

To me Diaw, Crawford deserve higher handles.

Stevenson, Devin Brown deserve higher defense. Especially DeShawn. Dude got torched by Kobe and LeBron for a living. Wait that doesn’t help my argument.

You went into more detail with Wallace below, so I'll save him for when I address that post.

Crawford's handle already has been bumped, as I mentioned (new change log will reflect that). Diaw at C+ is where I want him, in that department.

I've upped Stevenson and Devin Brown one notch each. Stevenson's defensive reputation definitely flipped in 2011 with the Mavericks, but I'm fine with it at B- because he did show great capability that season.

Oct 11, 2022 10:44:06 GMT -5 Icarus said:

And my guy Stromboli is looking a bit weak. I think either defense or rebounding may deserve a bump.

What is looking weak about him? Stromile Swift was a bum. It was evident pretty early on in his career that he wasn't going to work out. He has solid steal and block ratings, so you could argue that a B- defensive rating might be warranted, but even you don't seem to have much conviction in that.

Oct 11, 2022 12:01:21 GMT -5 Icarus said:

More on Gerald Wallace. Career highs of 19.4ppg, 10rpg, 2.5spg, 2.1bpg

His “peak” is either his all star season of nearly 20-10-2-1.5-1.1 or his defensive peak of 15-7.5 with 4.6 STOCKS

I think his defensive grades look nice but I think his rebounding needs a bump!

First of all, would like to clarify that those 10 rebounds per game came in over 40 minutes per game. It was 8.8 rebounds per 36 minutes.

Second of all, worth noting that I tend to look at peaks as 3-5 year periods, not one year blips (sorry in advance, those of you who want Isaiah Thomas to be an MVP candidate in his prime)

Finally, while defensive rebounding is weighted slightly more, the REB grade is a lot about offensive rebounding, as well. Wallace's defensive rebounding peak rating is above average for small forwards, power forwards, and hell... even for centers. I'll have to see how he tests but leaving where it is for now.

Oct 11, 2022 13:17:24 GMT -5 snipe said:

Feel like a 4x all nba defender like Prince should have peak defense higher than B. Is it because he low steal rates?

'Mal Crafword handles bump (career per 36 2 topg)?

Exactly; it's very hard to get Prince much higher without artificially turning him into a steals merchant. He will be a great defender.

Already addressed Crawford.

Change Log:
DeShawn Stevenson DEF: C+ -> B-
Devin Brown DEF: C -> C+
Etan Thomas DEF: B- -> C+
Jamal Crawford HAN: C -> C+
Joel Pryzbilla DEF: C+ -> B-
Rasual Butler DEF: C+ -> B-
Stromile Swift DEF: C+ -> B-
Yao Ming DEF: B- -> B

Rasual Butler

I feel his Outside needs to be dropped to a B-. He’s a career 36% 3pt shooter and never averaged more above 2 made 3’s a game in his career, while at times shooting over 5 per game.

Battier
C+ to C inside scoring (career 58% at the rim)

B+ to A- outside. Career 38% from 3 with a couple of seasons shooting 40% with 4 attempts per game.

I think Mike Dunleavy Jr should have higher outside. When he played for the Pacers he shot well (outside of the injury recovery years) and was a great shooter later in his career

Same with Troy Murphy on the above.

Boris Diaw PF B- B- C+ C+ C

I remember Boris as a better scorer than he was. Might be being generous here.

Caron Butler SF B B- C B- C

Fine with his ratings. Another guy who I remember as being better than he probably was.

DeShawn Stevenson SG C+ B- C C+ D+

Stevenson was so important during the Mavs championship run. I'd give him better defense so he can contribute to a contender in a meaningful way as he did IRL

Desmond Mason SF B+ C C- C+ C

As long as this is all jumping, sure

Gerald Wallace SF B C+ C A- C

No one gets an A defense yet, right? Is GWall really an all time defender then? Iirc, same rating as Artest who was dominant on the wing defensively.

Jamaal Magloire C C+ C- D+ C+ B

B rebounding seems generous. But he was an all star once, can probably spare him B- inside for that reason.

Jamal Crawford SG C+ B+ C C D+

Crawford is top 5 ball handlers in history as far as I'm concerned. Give him high af handles and no passing. Make sure he can't start at PG and he won't be "a glitch"

Joel Przybilla C C D+ D- C+ B

He needs a nerf I'm sorry, he sucked. B rebounding for a guy who peaked at 8rpg or whatever, idc about per 36. Nerf needed

Mike Dunleavy SF C+ B C C+ C

Better shooter than this

Rasual Butler SF C+ B+ D+ C+ C-

D+ rebounding and C inside

Tayshaun Prince SF B- B- C B C

Deserves better defense and scoring, dude is a legend

Troy Murphy PF C+ B D+ C B-

Sure I guess, sus on rebounding but whatever

Yao Ming C B C D+ B- B-

Is this his starting ratings or his peak? What are we doing here lol. Yao had a short career but was dominant when he played. Gerald Wallace is gonna be a B+ defender while Yao is B-? Troy Murphy is the same quality rebounder as Yao Ming? Come on...Yao was also doing 25 PPG one year while shooting over 50%, he was an all star like 6 years in a row.

Zach Randolph PF B+ C C- C B+

Fine with it

Diaw inside might be a little too high. I couldn’t see anything more than a C+ for him even though that was where his game was

I would have Yao's inside rating at B +. Maybe dunleavy as a B- defensively. RJeff as a B defensively too. Jamal should have a higher handle.

Oct 12, 2022 6:47:30 GMT -5 mpickett3 said:

Rasual Butler

I feel his Outside needs to be dropped to a B-. He’s a career 36% 3pt shooter and never averaged more above 2 made 3’s a game in his career, while at times shooting over 5 per game.

I don't agree with lowering it all the way to B-. He was a competent three point shooter on 4-5 threes per game in his prime. I do agree that a B+ is too high, and will lower it in the next change log. Thanks.

Oct 12, 2022 13:12:16 GMT -5 snipe said:

Battier
C+ to C inside scoring (career 58% at the rim)

B+ to A- outside. Career 38% from 3 with a couple of seasons shooting 40% with 4 attempts per game.

I personally am fine with Battier's scoring ratings as is. I think he'll play correctly, but his outside is fringe B+.

Oct 13, 2022 7:58:48 GMT -5 leflop said:

I think Mike Dunleavy Jr should have higher outside. When he played for the Pacers he shot well (outside of the injury recovery years) and was a great shooter later in his career

Same with Troy Murphy on the above.

I can get behind this for Dunleavy, but not Murphy.

Oct 15, 2022 17:12:14 GMT -5 jb said:

Boris Diaw PF B- B- C+ C+ C

I remember Boris as a better scorer than he was. Might be being generous here.

Caron Butler SF B B- C B- C

Fine with his ratings. Another guy who I remember as being better than he probably was.

DeShawn Stevenson SG C+ B- C C+ D+

Stevenson was so important during the Mavs championship run. I'd give him better defense so he can contribute to a contender in a meaningful way as he did IRL

Desmond Mason SF B+ C C- C+ C

As long as this is all jumping, sure

Gerald Wallace SF B C+ C A- C

No one gets an A defense yet, right? Is GWall really an all time defender then? Iirc, same rating as Artest who was dominant on the wing defensively.

Jamaal Magloire C C+ C- D+ C+ B

B rebounding seems generous. But he was an all star once, can probably spare him B- inside for that reason.

Jamal Crawford SG C+ B+ C C D+

Crawford is top 5 ball handlers in history as far as I'm concerned. Give him high af handles and no passing. Make sure he can't start at PG and he won't be "a glitch"

Joel Przybilla C C D+ D- C+ B

He needs a nerf I'm sorry, he sucked. B rebounding for a guy who peaked at 8rpg or whatever, idc about per 36. Nerf needed

Mike Dunleavy SF C+ B C C+ C

Better shooter than this

Rasual Butler SF C+ B+ D+ C+ C-

D+ rebounding and C inside

Tayshaun Prince SF B- B- C B C

Deserves better defense and scoring, dude is a legend

Troy Murphy PF C+ B D+ C B-

Sure I guess, sus on rebounding but whatever

Yao Ming C B C D+ B- B-

Is this his starting ratings or his peak? What are we doing here lol. Yao had a short career but was dominant when he played. Gerald Wallace is gonna be a B+ defender while Yao is B-? Troy Murphy is the same quality rebounder as Yao Ming? Come on...Yao was also doing 25 PPG one year while shooting over 50%, he was an all star like 6 years in a row.

Zach Randolph PF B+ C C- C B+

Fine with it

- As I already mentioned with Stevenson, he was a good defender for just about one year of his career, two at most. I'm fine with him being at B-.
- It is a lot of jumping, but I do think you have a point on Desmond Mason. I'll lower to a B.
- Nobody has been higher than A-. While I agree that G-Wall isn't in the class of Artest, he was a huge stocks guy and the defensive metrics in game really overvalue that. I've fine-tooth combed him, but still an A-.
- Magloire was always a very good rebounder. Leaving it at a B.
- Crawford has the highest peak handles grade in the file.
- Fine with nerfing Przybilla a tad, I don't want him being way more capable than he was in real life.
- As I already mentioned, Tayshaun is a great defender in this file and his rating is held back by stocks.
- I can artificially increase Yao's inside a tad via jump rating, but I promise you he'll score whether I do that or not. His defense was already upped to a B. Would consider upping his rebounding a tad but he's on the fringe regardless.

Oct 18, 2022 19:45:48 GMT -5 shellystrick4l said:

Diaw inside might be a little too high. I couldn’t see anything more than a C+ for him even though that was where his game was

I've lowered his inside a tad, but I do still think it belongs at B-

Oct 19, 2022 10:14:18 GMT -5 tyo said:

I would have Yao's inside rating at B +. Maybe dunleavy as a B- defensively. RJeff as a B defensively too. Jamal should have a higher handle.

- As I already mentioned, the difference between Yao's inside being a B and B+ is artificially raising his Jumping. I promise he will score.
- I don't agree with either of the defensive changes and I've already spoken on Jamal's handle.

Change Log:
A.J. Guyton OUT: B -> B-
Desmond Mason INS: B+ -> B
Joel Przybilla REB: B -> B-
Lavor Postell OUT: C+ -> C
Marko Jaric HAN: C -> C+
Mike Dunleavy OUT: B -> B+
Rasual Butler OUT: B+ -> B
Yao Ming HAN: D+ -> C-
Yao Ming REB: B- -> B