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Post by CC06 on Jan 2, 2023 22:13:55 GMT -5
Name Pos INS OUT HAN DEF REB
Alex Garcia SG C C C- C D+
Alton Ford C C D+ D C- C
Andre Brown PF C D D C- C+
Antoine Wright SF C C+ D+ C C-
Bobby Jones SF C C+ D+ C C
Brian Cook PF C B D+ C C
Chris Bosh PF B+ C C- B- B-
Chris Kaman C B- C- D+ B- B-
D.J. Mbenga C C D+ D- C+ C
Dahntay Jones SF C+ B- C- C+ C-
Dan Gadzuric C C+ D D- C+ B-
David Andersen C C B- D C C
David Noel SF C C+ D+ C C-
David West PF B+ C C- B- C+
Desmond Penigar SF C C- D C C
Devin Harris PG C+ C+ B C+ D+
Earl Barron C C C- D- C- C+
Earl Watson PG C B- B- B- C-
Emeka Okafor C B- D+ D B- B
Francisco Garcia SF C B C- C+ C-
Fred Jones SG C+ B C C+ C-
Horace Jenkins PG C C C- C D+
James Lang C C- D+ D- C- C
Jared Dudley SF C+ B+ C- B- C
Joe Johnson SG B+ B C+ C+ C-
Johan Petro C C C- D- C C+
Josh Smith PF A- C C B C+
Juan Carlos Navarro SG C B C C- D+
Julius Hodge SG C C- C- C C
Kareem Rush SG C+ B- C- C D+
Khalid El-Amin PG C C+ C C D
Kirk Haston PF C C D+ C C
Luke Ridnour PG C B- B C+ D+
Lynn Greer SG C B- C C D
Marcus Fizer PF C+ C- D+ C C
Marcus Haislip PF C+ C D- C C
Mario Kasun C C D+ D- C B
M. Andriuskevicius C C D- F+ C- C
Mike Wilks PG C C+ C C+ D+
Monta Ellis SG B B- B C+ C-
Nenad Krstic C C+ C D C C
Nick Collison PF C+ C D C C+
Predrag Savovic SG C C C- C- D+
Quinton Ross SG C+ C C- C C-
Ratko Varda C C- C- D- C- C
Renaldo Major SF C C- D C C-
Ronald Dupree SF C+ C D+ C+ C
Ronald Murray SG C+ C+ C C+ D+
Royal Ivey PG C B- C- C+ D+
Ryan Gomes SF C+ B- D+ C C
Ryan Humphrey PF C D+ D C C+
Sasha Pavlovic SG C C+ C- C C-
Sean Lampley SF C C- D+ C- C
Slavko Vranes C C- D F D+ C
Soumaila Samake C C D F+ C C+
Stephen Graham SG C C+ D+ C C-
Steven Hunter C C+ D D- C+ C
Tony Parker PG B C+ A- B C-
Troy Bell PG C C C C D+
Tyrus Thomas PF B- C D+ B- C+
Tyson Chandler C C+ D+ D B B+
Vladimir Radmanovic PF C B+ C- C C
Walter Herrmann PF C B D C- C
Willie Green SG C+ B- C C C-
Yuta Tabuse PG C C C C D
Zarko Cabarkapa PF C C+ D+ C- C
Here's the 2003 Rookie Draft class, in full. Just as before, these are the estimated peak ratings for these prospects, not how they will come into the league. The ratings are here to be griped; not providing input won't make the league move on any faster.
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Post by stunna on Jan 3, 2023 11:59:15 GMT -5
Would a C+ outside peak for Bosh seem unreasonable?
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Post by Icarus on Jan 3, 2023 12:03:09 GMT -5
I’d like to gripe the draft class as a whole. It’s not as good as real 2003. Disappointing!
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Post by Icarus on Jan 3, 2023 12:04:21 GMT -5
Agreed on Bosh’s peak. Also think J Smoove should have like 28 3pt shot so he chucks and misses a bunch. And I think David West having a higher inside scoring peak than Yao is disrespectful
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Post by jord on Jan 3, 2023 14:50:29 GMT -5
I think Ridnour should have B outside
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Post by jord on Jan 3, 2023 14:51:09 GMT -5
Antoine Wright is a better defender than C flat, imo.
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Post by jord on Jan 3, 2023 14:51:54 GMT -5
Nick Collison should have B- defense at least, imo.
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Post by jord on Jan 3, 2023 14:52:35 GMT -5
Devin Harris B- inside please
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Post by jord on Jan 3, 2023 14:53:47 GMT -5
Nick Collison should have B- defense at least, imo. also decent passer. D handles seems low |
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Post by snipe on Jan 4, 2023 13:44:22 GMT -5
Chandler's defense seems to be on the low side considering he's won a DPOY. Deserves at least a B+
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Post by Icarus on Jan 13, 2023 12:21:18 GMT -5
Chandler's defense seems to be on the low side considering he's won a DPOY. Deserves at least a B+ agreed. Dude is also athletic so I’d think there’s no reason to make him not a better defender Monta might be dialed already but I’d think he should be super quick but turnover prone I like the idea of less inside, more outside, more rebounding for Bosh |
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Post by raidernation on Jan 13, 2023 16:33:26 GMT -5
Devin Harris had some bunnies in his healthier years and was pretty good around the rim, might deserve a B- inside unless that C+ is a high one.
Kris Humphries was a rebound machine and pretty athletic, might deserve a jumping bump and B- rebounding.
Agree on Bosh, his J was smooth and developed a quality 3 point shot a bit later on.
Joe Johnson should be an 80/65 jumper/3pt rating, and his ball handling was good enough to run point in his Phoenix days. Maybe B+ B+ B- peak wouldn’t be unrealistic.
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Post by Mexi on Jan 13, 2023 16:45:27 GMT -5
Bosh outside higher
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Post by Icarus on Jan 13, 2023 18:19:24 GMT -5
I love Joe Johnson but B+ inside seems too high. Wasn’t freakishly athletic. Wasn’t some wizard under the basket. He was just really really solid. A high B inside peak is more than fair given that he should have B+ outside and B- handles
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Post by bosoxlover12 on Jan 13, 2023 23:07:21 GMT -5
Ryan Gomes C+ def
Francisco Garcia C handles
Fred Jones C inside... i know its all jump rating but hell get over-drafted with C+ B scoring
Royal Ivey C handles
Sasha Pavolvic B- outside
Nenad Krstic C+ def
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Post by CC06 on Jan 14, 2023 10:43:08 GMT -5
Would a C+ outside peak for Bosh seem unreasonable? If it were accompanied with a B+ inside, then yes. There's no doubt Bosh developed into a great three-point shooter in the twilight of his career, but if the idea is to create peak Bosh, then we're looking at the Bosh that averaged 23-24 PPG in Toronto. |
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Post by CC06 on Jan 14, 2023 10:45:06 GMT -5
Agreed on Bosh’s peak. Also think J Smoove should have like 28 3pt shot so he chucks and misses a bunch. And I think David West having a higher inside scoring peak than Yao is disrespectful It's a big mistake to compare inside scoring rating and inside scoring GRADE, which is a combination of inside scoring, jumping, and strength. |
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Post by CC06 on Jan 14, 2023 11:01:03 GMT -5
I think Ridnour should have B outside I don't agree with this. Ridnour, on relatively low volume, shot 34.9% for his career, and only over 40% once. Antoine Wright is a better defender than C flat, imo. Agreed. Nick Collison should have B- defense at least, imo. I can agree with upping it to a C+. B- seems too high, though. Devin Harris B- inside please Sure. Nick Collison should have B- defense at least, imo. also decent passer. D handles seems low Agreed. |
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Post by CC06 on Jan 14, 2023 11:13:08 GMT -5
Chandler's defense seems to be on the low side considering he's won a DPOY. Deserves at least a B+ First of all, Tyson Chandler won DPOY because he played for the Knicks. The season he won it, he wasn't even voted All-Defense 1st Team. I'm fine with his ratings. |
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Post by CC06 on Jan 14, 2023 11:31:02 GMT -5
Devin Harris had some bunnies in his healthier years and was pretty good around the rim, might deserve a B- inside unless that C+ is a high one. Kris Humphries was a rebound machine and pretty athletic, might deserve a jumping bump and B- rebounding. Agree on Bosh, his J was smooth and developed a quality 3 point shot a bit later on. Joe Johnson should be an 80/65 jumper/3pt rating, and his ball handling was good enough to run point in his Phoenix days. Maybe B+ B+ B- peak wouldn’t be unrealistic. Already addressed Harris and Bosh. Unless I'm missing something, Kris Humphries isn't in this draft class. I'm fine with upping Joe Johnson's handles, but the scoring ratings you're suggesting are entirely too high. |
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Post by CC06 on Jan 14, 2023 11:31:48 GMT -5
Already addressed, thanks for the contribution. |
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Post by CC06 on Jan 14, 2023 11:32:24 GMT -5
I love Joe Johnson but B+ inside seems too high. Wasn’t freakishly athletic. Wasn’t some wizard under the basket. He was just really really solid. A high B inside peak is more than fair given that he should have B+ outside and B- handles I agree with lowering his inside and upping his handles. |
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Post by CC06 on Jan 14, 2023 12:01:06 GMT -5
Ryan Gomes C+ def Francisco Garcia C handles Fred Jones C inside... i know its all jump rating but hell get over-drafted with C+ B scoring Royal Ivey C handles Sasha Pavolvic B- outside Nenad Krstic C+ def It's near-impossible to get Gomes above C defense with his low Blocking rating, but I've given him a substantial boost in his defensive fundamental ratings. I don't see a reason to up Garcia or Ivey's handles. I'm not going to artificially lower Jones' inside just because he might get over-drafted. That's on GM's to scout and realize it might just be all Jumping fluff. Agreed on Pavlovic and Krstic. |
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Post by CC06 on Jan 14, 2023 12:04:59 GMT -5
Change Log:
Antoine Wright DEF: C -> C+
Dahntay Jones DEF: C+ -> B-
David West INS: B+ -> B
Devin Harris INS: C+ -> B-
Earl Watson OUT: B- -> C+
Fred Jones OUT: B -> B-
Joe Johnson INS: B+ -> B
Joe Johnson HAN: C+ -> B-
Josh Smith INS: A- -> B+
Nenad Krstic DEF: C -> C+
Nick Collison HAN: D -> D+
Nick Collison DEF: C -> C+
Quinton Ross DEF: C -> C+
Royal Ivey OUT: B- -> C+
Sasha Pavlovic OUT: C+ -> B-
Tony Parker DEF: B -> B-
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Post by shellystrick4l on Jan 16, 2023 16:00:08 GMT -5
Tyson Chandler having a B peak defense seems a bit low. He was an elite defensive presence at one point in time. There are guys like TMac with a higher defensive rating…
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Post by shellystrick4l on Jan 16, 2023 16:12:09 GMT -5
Tyrus Thomas B- inside is probably being generous
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Post by Icarus on Jan 16, 2023 17:03:15 GMT -5
Alton Ford looks like ass and that’s just rude.
Idk who he is and he probably sucked but have some dignity, damn.
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Post by tyo on Jan 16, 2023 17:10:01 GMT -5
Bosh should be a B defender man. His defense was integral to the Heatles run. Joe Johnson should have a better handle as he was a solid passer. Good job on JSmoove…
It feels like Tony Parker is better than what he really was.
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Post by swope on Jan 18, 2023 0:42:48 GMT -5
My biggest gripes are Joe Johnson should be B B+ scoring and Bosh C+ outside. I know you covered these above, but still thought I’d mention.
Also Okafor was awesome coming out of college. He was destined to be a better pro, especially on defense. I’d think a bump there would be fair.
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Post by CC06 on Jan 18, 2023 9:21:46 GMT -5
Tyson Chandler having a B peak defense seems a bit low. He was an elite defensive presence at one point in time. There are guys like TMac with a higher defensive rating… T-Mac's development in this file is irrelevant. This is FBB, anything can happen in the development of these players. Chandler's defensive rating is right on the fringe, I will give it to the boost to B+ but it is a very marginal increase. |
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