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Post by CC06 on Apr 18, 2023 17:27:45 GMT -5
I would suggest bumping Dwight up to A defense. He won 3 DPOTYs and was arguably the most dominant defender of his era. Rajon Rondo has made all defensive first team twice (4x all defense). He should be bumped up to B+ or A- defense. B is too low unless there's an FBB reason. Nate Robinson has been a somewhat inconsistent shooter over his career. There may be an argument for him to have B- outside. I also agree that Tyreke should have a B- handle. - Dwight Howard: Already addressed this above. - Rajon Rondo: Wasn't an FBB reason, I just always considered him to be more of a guy who gambled for steals rather than being a great lockdown defender. I'd consider a B+ rating, though. - Nate Robinson: I think he was a better shooter than you're giving him credit for. - Tyreke Evans: Already addressed above, I'll consider a slight boost to certain ratings but I'm fine if it stays C+ as it's right on the fringe anyways. Thanks for the gripes. |
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Post by CC06 on Apr 18, 2023 17:30:42 GMT -5
Nick Young could warrant a B+ outside. He was a consistent shooter throughout his career ending on .376 from 3. I already gave him a bump before you said this, I can't remember if he settled on a B or B+ but I definitely upped him already. Yi Jianlian had a better handle than D-. He could dribble but he had no vision, that’s at least a D. If he couldn’t dribble I’d understand a D- I'll look into it. |
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Post by CC06 on Apr 18, 2023 17:34:19 GMT -5
Channing Frye Deserves an A- out Based on what? He was a high 30's percentage guy on decent volume. That screams B+ to me. |
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Post by CC06 on Apr 18, 2023 17:34:54 GMT -5
CP3 deserves higher than B outside Already addressed this above, I believe. |
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Post by CC06 on Apr 18, 2023 17:36:45 GMT -5
Chris Paul - probably fine, peak (Hornets? Early Clippers?) CP3 was a nice inside scorer with all the floaters and layups and other stuff in the lane. Good shooter but not elite by any means. B B scoring feels correct to me just figured I’d add my two cents Dwight - well covered here, I’m fine with him being a physical monster KD - I know I shouldn’t base peak grades off of others in the league but in a VFO offense at PG, Gil with A- A- scoring with better handles only did 30ppg this year with moderate scoring talent around him. Given what KD is IRL, I think his peak grades should be higher… high B+ and mid A outside? Handles and defense and rebounding all may deserve moderate bumps too. Dude is literally a top 5 player of all time ****IN TERMS OF BODY+SKILL+TALENT**** so his peak grades I think should allow him to get there - Chris Paul: I think the argument for him to be B+ outside would be that his Jump Shot rating should be pretty damn high. I agree that his Three-Point rating shouldn't be elite or anything. - Kevin Durant: I don't really like using the current file to compare to draft peaks, but since you did it, I'd say to look at Stephen Jackson, who averaged 28.5 PPG with B INS and A- OUT. |
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Post by Icarus on Apr 18, 2023 17:43:07 GMT -5
Chris Paul - probably fine, peak (Hornets? Early Clippers?) CP3 was a nice inside scorer with all the floaters and layups and other stuff in the lane. Good shooter but not elite by any means. B B scoring feels correct to me just figured I’d add my two cents Dwight - well covered here, I’m fine with him being a physical monster KD - I know I shouldn’t base peak grades off of others in the league but in a VFO offense at PG, Gil with A- A- scoring with better handles only did 30ppg this year with moderate scoring talent around him. Given what KD is IRL, I think his peak grades should be higher… high B+ and mid A outside? Handles and defense and rebounding all may deserve moderate bumps too. Dude is literally a top 5 player of all time ****IN TERMS OF BODY+SKILL+TALENT**** so his peak grades I think should allow him to get there - Chris Paul: I think the argument for him to be B+ outside would be that his Jump Shot rating should be pretty damn high. I agree that his Three-Point rating shouldn't be elite or anything. - Kevin Durant: I don't really like using the current file to compare to draft peaks, but since you did it, I'd say to look at Stephen Jackson, who averaged 28.5 PPG with B INS and A- OUT. As for KD - fair, but I think prime KD in a prime situation catered to him putting up numbers in 40mpg like we tend to get in this league would have him at 35ppg or something I just think his ceiling with these peak grades might not be as high as we’d expect from a legendary player. I do still think his rebounding or defense may deserve some bumps within the grades they’re at? |
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Post by mzylinski on Apr 19, 2023 9:00:39 GMT -5
Kris Humpries should have better rebounding, once he matured in the NBA he had seasons averaging 10+ a game.
Rondo should be at least a B- in outside scoring he had the same career percentage as Deng who has that grade there.
Deng had a good outside shorting percentage and needs a slight bump there, also his D should be better by at least one step, maybe not the most beastly defender but he was better than his current rating suggests.
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Post by licensedbullshark on Apr 19, 2023 16:17:07 GMT -5
Ik some people have already pointed it out but i think tyreke deserves a bump in handling and outside to a B-/B for each one, he was a great offensive player in his prime
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Post by CC06 on Apr 19, 2023 16:58:48 GMT -5
Kris Humpries should have better rebounding, once he matured in the NBA he had seasons averaging 10+ a game. Rondo should be at least a B- in outside scoring he had the same career percentage as Deng who has that grade there. Deng had a good outside shorting percentage and needs a slight bump there, also his D should be better by at least one step, maybe not the most beastly defender but he was better than his current rating suggests. - Kris Humphries: I feel he can get to 10+ RPG at a B grade. I'll give him a very minor boost but I don't have a problem with the letter grade itself. - Rajon Rondo: Disagree strongly with Rondo having a B- OUT grade. On top of being a very low-volume three-point shooter for his career, he also was not good in the mid range and was an awful free throw shooter for a guard. - Luol Deng: Given that the highest defensive peak grades I've given out in this league are A-, I do not feel Luol needs a bump there. Thank you for the gripes. |
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Post by CC06 on Apr 19, 2023 17:01:20 GMT -5
Ik some people have already pointed it out but i think tyreke deserves a bump in handling and outside to a B-/B for each one, he was a great offensive player in his prime When was Tyreke Evans a great offensive player? He averaged 20 PPG as a rookie on a horrible Kings team and then saw his average drop four seasons in a row after that. I definitely think you're overrating him there. |
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Post by CC06 on Apr 19, 2023 17:18:26 GMT -5
Change Log:
Courtney Sims DEF: D- to C- (original grade was a typo)
Sean May OUT: C to C-
Rawle Marshall OUT: C+ to C
Gerald Green INS: C+ to B-
O.J. Mayo INS: C+ to B-
Will Bynum OUT: C+ to C
Kevin Durant HAN: C+ to B-
Andre Owens OUT: C+ to C
Chris Paul OUT: B to B+
Shelden Williams OUT: C to C-
Nate Robinson DEF: C+ to C
Carl Landry OUT: C to C-
Jameer Nelson OUT: B to B+
Jameer Nelson DEF: C to C+
Kevin Martin OUT: B to B+
Yi Jianlian OUT: C+ to C
Yi Jianlian HAN: D- to D
Ben Gordon OUT: B+ to A-
Tyreke Evans HAN: C+ to B-
Kevin Burleson OUT: C to C-
John Salmons OUT: B- to B
Realizing now I did a bad job of sorting this list, but oh well.
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Post by CC06 on Apr 19, 2023 17:50:10 GMT -5
Change Log:
Courtney Sims DEF: D- to C- (original grade was a typo)
Sean May OUT: C to C-
Rawle Marshall OUT: C+ to C
Gerald Green INS: C+ to B-
O.J. Mayo INS: C+ to B-
Will Bynum OUT: C+ to C
Kevin Durant HAN: C+ to B-
Andre Owens OUT: C+ to C
Chris Paul OUT: B to B+
Shelden Williams OUT: C to C-
Nate Robinson DEF: C+ to C
Carl Landry OUT: C to C-
Jameer Nelson OUT: B to B+
Jameer Nelson DEF: C to C+
Kevin Martin OUT: B to B+
Yi Jianlian OUT: C+ to C
Yi Jianlian HAN: D- to D
Tyreke Evans HAN: C+ to B-
Kevin Burleson OUT: C to C-
John Salmons OUT: B- to B
Rajon Rondo DEF: B to B+
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Post by dez on Apr 19, 2023 17:59:11 GMT -5
Last minute gripes
Shannon Brown B inside .. just off his jumping ability alone/was a solid finisher
Nick Young C- handle compared to other guards with C- I’d say he had a better handling ability/ability to create for himself off the dribble
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Post by CC06 on Apr 19, 2023 19:57:27 GMT -5
Last minute gripes Shannon Brown B inside .. just off his jumping ability alone/was a solid finisher Nick Young C- handle compared to other guards with C- I’d say he had a better handling ability/ability to create for himself off the dribble - Shannon Brown: I can't have Gerald Green at B- and Shannon Brown at B. - Nick Young: Agreed he had some wiggle to his game but he was a terrible passer for a guard. Thanks for the last minute gripes. |
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