2005 Rookie Draft Peak Grades

Name Pos INS OUT HAN DEF REB
Aaron Miles PG C C C C D+
Alex Acker SG C C+ D+ C C-
Alexis Ajinca C C+ C D C B-
Andray Blatche PF B- C C- C C+
Andre Owens SG C C+ C- C- C-
Andreas Glyniadakis C C- D D+ D C-
Andris Biedrins C C+ D+ D C+ B+
Ben Gordon SG B- B+ C C C-
Brandon Hunter PF C D D C- C+
Brian Roberts PG C B- C C D+
Carl Landry PF B- C D+ C C+
Cedric Simmons PF C D D- C C
Channing Frye C C+ B+ D+ C+ C
Cheikh Samb C C C- F+ C C
Chris Duhon PG C B B- C D+
Chris McCray SG C- C D+ D+ D-
Chris Paul PG B B A+ A- C-
Chris Taft C C D+ F+ C C
Chuck Hayes PF C+ D+ C- C+ B-
Corey Brewer SF C+ C+ C- B C-
Courtney Sims C C D+ D- D- C
Damien Wilkins SF C+ C+ C- C+ C-
Darko Milicic C C+ D+ D C+ C
Deng Gai C C- D- F+ C- C
Dwight Howard C A- D+ C- A- A-
Erik Daniels SF C C D+ C C
Esteban Batista C C- D+ D- C- C+
Gerald Green SG C+ B C- C C-
Guillermo Diaz SG C C D+ D+ D+
Hilton Armstrong C C D+ D C+ C
Ivan McFarlin PF C D+ F+ D+ C
Jackson Vroman PF C D+ D C C
Jameer Nelson PG C+ B B+ C C-
Jason Smith C C+ C D C+ C
Jawad Williams SF C C+ D+ C C-
Joey Graham SF C+ C D+ C C
John Salmons SG C+ B- C C C-
Justin Reed PF C C- D C- C-
Kasib Powell SF C C C C- C-
Kevin Burleson PG C C C- C D
Kevin Durant SF B+ A- C+ B+ C
Kevin Martin SG B- B C C C-
Kirk Snyder SG C C+ C- C C-
Kris Humphries PF B- C- D C B
Luke Jackson SF C B- D+ C- C-
Luke Schenscher C C- D+ D- C C
Luol Deng SF B B- C B+ C
Marcus Vinicius SF C C+ D C- D+
Marcus Williams PG C C+ C C C-
Martell Webster SF C+ B D+ C C-
Mike Harris PF C C- D C C+
Mo Williams PG C+ B+ B C C-
Nate Robinson PG B- B C+ C+ C-
Nick Young SG C+ B D+ C D+
O.J. Mayo SG C+ B C C C-
Pero Antic C C C+ D+ C C
Peter John Ramos C C- D+ F+ C- C
Pops Mensah-Bonsu PF C+ D+ D C B-
Rafael Araujo C C C- D- C- C+
Rajon Rondo PG B- C A+ B C
Rawle Marshall SF C C+ D+ C D+
Robert Swift C C D+ D- C C+
Robert Whaley C C D D C- C
Roko Ukic PG C C C C D+
Sean May PF C C D C C+
Shannon Brown SG B- B- C- C+ C-
Sharrod Ford PF C D+ C C C
Shelden Williams C C C D- C C+
Theron Smith SF C C D C- C
Tyreke Evans SG B C+ C+ C+ C
Vassilis Spanoulis SG C C C C D+
Von Wafer SG C B- C- C D+
Wayne Simien PF C C- D- D+ C
Will Bynum PG C+ C+ C+ C+ D+
Yi Jianlian PF C+ C+ D- C C

Here's the 2005 Rookie Draft class, in full. Just as before, these are the estimated peak ratings for these prospects, not how they will come into the league. The ratings are here to be griped; not providing input won't make the league move on any faster.

Dwight - I’d argue he deserves an A for rebounding, numbers were crazy, generational rebounding talent deserves a standout rating in that aspect

Gerald Green - B Inside, maybe lower him to a B- outside? So he doesn’t look too OP. C- handle should nerf his scoring too

Kevin Martin - I think his scoring ratings should be buffed a little.. handle is right where it should be imo.. but I think in order to score at the rate he did in RL he maybe need a boost in scoring .. B/B+? I’d even be cool with a fringe B-/B inside and B outside

Reke - B- handle, had both a great handle and ability to run an offense .. think that should stand out at the 3

Apr 5, 2023 16:03:37 GMT -5 dez said:

Dwight - I’d argue he deserves an A for rebounding, numbers were crazy, generational rebounding talent deserves a standout rating in that aspect

Gerald Green - B Inside, maybe lower him to a B- outside? So he doesn’t look too OP. C- handle should nerf his scoring too

Kevin Martin - I think his scoring ratings should be buffed a little.. handle is right where it should be imo.. but I think in order to score at the rate he did in RL he maybe need a boost in scoring .. B/B+? I’d even be cool with a fringe B-/B inside and B outside

Reke - B- handle, had both a great handle and ability to run an offense .. think that should stand out at the 3

- Dwight Howard: I'm fairly certain he's the best rebounder in the history of the file.
- Gerald Green: I actually disagree with you here regarding his scoring abilities. In the second half of Green's career (which was way better than the first half), Green was a gunner. I definitely believe his OUT grade should be higher than his INS, but I'm fine upping his INS to a B- that's largely inflated by his Jumping rating.
- Kevin Martin: I agree his scoring might be a little light here. I'm going to up his OUT to B+ for now.
- Tyreke Evans: His C+ HAN is right on the fringe, which I think works for him.

Thanks for the gripes.

Ben Gordon should have a higher peak handle imo, somewhere around a C+/B-

OJ Mayo should have higher peak grades across the board imo especially in outside/handle. He never panned out as a pro but he had tons of potential.

Corey Brewer should have a higher out imo around a B-/B

Aaron Miles handle is too low. Would have Carl Landry peak at B inside. Would raise CP3 outside peak to B+. Gerald green should have higher potential imo. KD handle should peak at B- imo. Luol feels slightly too good. Rondo handle should peak at A not A+ he was never the best playmaker in the league.

dwight howard, 3 time DPOY, 2 time blocks leader, 5 time all defense should definitely have a higher ceiling than A- on defense, A + or at the very lowest A, in his prime he was so dominant on defense and so his peak should definitely be higher here. 

I feel like with an A- peak inside O, dwight would be too op.

Rondo had some high ish TO seasons maybe nerf handle a bit

KD one of the greatest jymp shooters of all time peak A- outside? Hmm could be higher imo

KMart - career 38% 3pt (with some 40% seasons sprinkled in). Could use a bit of a outside scoring bump

Apr 13, 2023 17:51:11 GMT -5 licensedbullshark said:

Ben Gordon should have a higher peak handle imo, somewhere around a C+/B-

In FBB, the handling rating is primarily driven by a player's passing ability, which was never a highlight of Gordon's game, hence the C.

Apr 13, 2023 17:52:33 GMT -5 licensedbullshark said:

OJ Mayo should have higher peak grades across the board imo especially in outside/handle. He never panned out as a pro but he had tons of potential.

I'm not here to deal in hypotheticals, I'm trying to build O.J. Mayo's peak ratings to line up with his peak in real life. You could argue he deserves higher scoring ratings here, but I'm not trying to build a player that he never became.

Apr 13, 2023 17:54:21 GMT -5 licensedbullshark said:

Corey Brewer should have a higher out imo around a B-/B

He was a career 28.4% three-point shooter and shot under 30% eight seasons in a row for his career. C+ is fine.

Thanks for the gripes.

Apr 14, 2023 15:38:54 GMT -5 tyo said:

Aaron Miles handle is too low. Would have Carl Landry peak at B inside. Would raise CP3 outside peak to B+. Gerald green should have higher potential imo. KD handle should peak at B- imo. Luol feels slightly too good. Rondo handle should peak at A not A+ he was never the best playmaker in the league.

- Aaron Miles: With all due respect to a Kansas great, he had a 19-game NBA career. I'm not particularly worried about his ratings being boosted.
- Carl Landry: He was a bench guy for almost the entirety of his career and really only had one season where he was above the 12 PPG range. I think I'm going to leave him at B- but I'll comb over his athleticism grades and see if he deserves a slight boost there.
- Chris Paul: I am worried about making CP3 too overpowered, but I do agree his OUT rating could be a B- based on the strength of his mid-range game.
- Gerald Green: Where are you seeing his potential on here?
- Kevin Durant: I agree with this, he's really developed into a great passer late in his career.
- Luol Deng: Is there anything specific that you'd lower on him?
- Rajon Rondo: I totally agree with Rondo never being the best playmaker in the league during his career. In FBB, HAN rating is the easiest one to shoot up into A- range just by way of having a passing rating in the high 70's, and obviously Rondo's is higher than that. Can assure you Chris Paul's ratings across the board in this category are higher, but the game gives out the A+ fairly easily here. I'll comb over it but I doubt I can get it down to an A without docking him unnecessarily.

Thanks for the gripes as always.

Apr 14, 2023 16:57:10 GMT -5 redauerbachsghost said:

dwight howard, 3 time DPOY, 2 time blocks leader, 5 time all defense should definitely have a higher ceiling than A- on defense, A + or at the very lowest A, in his prime he was so dominant on defense and so his peak should definitely be higher here. 

I agree regarding his defensive dominance, but the files we've been in haven't seen an A-level defender yet (based on the peak grades). Could be argued that Dwight should be the first, but I can assure you it'd cap there and not at A+ like you suggested. I'll look into it.

Apr 15, 2023 8:41:26 GMT -5 snipe said:

I feel like with an A- peak inside O, dwight would be too op.

Rondo had some high ish TO seasons maybe nerf handle a bit

- Dwight Howard: I'm confident Dwight's individual scoring ratings are fine, he has a very high Jumping rating for a Center that pushes what probably should be a B+ range Inside Scoring rating to an A- for the grade.
- Rajon Rondo: Already addressed in post above.

Apr 17, 2023 2:12:19 GMT -5 snipe said:

KD one of the greatest jymp shooters of all time peak A- outside? Hmm could be higher imo

KMart - career 38% 3pt (with some 40% seasons sprinkled in). Could use a bit of a outside scoring bump

- Kevin Durant: It's almost impossible to get to A OUT unless you're a Curry-level three-point shooter. I can assure you his ratings are very high, though.
- Kevin Martin: Already upped his OUT grade to B+ above.

Thanks for the gripes.

OJ Mayo B- inside. Was a 16-18pog scorer as a full time starter, I don’t think he’d be able to produce those numbers with his ratings as they are now, maybe also a slight boost in handle as well? Low C+ ?

Apr 17, 2023 10:06:50 GMT -5 dez said:

OJ Mayo B- inside. Was a 16-18pog scorer as a full time starter, I don’t think he’d be able to produce those numbers with his ratings as they are now, maybe also a slight boost in handle as well? Low C+ ?

Yeah I've already upped his scoring ratings. What's the argument for upping his handle? I think it's good where it is, it's a high C.

Jameer Nelson deserves a B+/A- out imo in his prime he was a knockdown shooter on those magic teams 

Kevin martin deserves a higher out in his prime he was right around the 40% benchmark from 3 he should be buffed to a B+/A-

Jameer Nelson C+ defense capped, averaged a steal a game in his career and was a fairly decent defender. Not amazing but good

Apr 17, 2023 12:52:54 GMT -5 licensedbullshark said:

Jameer Nelson deserves a B+/A- out imo in his prime he was a knockdown shooter on those magic teams 

I can agree that maybe he should be a B+ but no way should it be an A-.

Apr 17, 2023 12:54:00 GMT -5 licensedbullshark said:

Kevin martin deserves a higher out in his prime he was right around the 40% benchmark from 3 he should be buffed to a B+/A-

Already mentioned above that I bumped him to B+ OUT.

Apr 17, 2023 13:07:39 GMT -5 bironronso said:

Jameer Nelson C+ defense capped, averaged a steal a game in his career and was a fairly decent defender. Not amazing but good

Yup, noticed this a few days ago and already moved to C+ DEF. Thanks for the gripe.

Salmons had some good seasons shooting the ball and had some outlier bad ones. But i think at his best he was better than a B- outside shooter maybe a bump to a B.

Apr 17, 2023 17:28:50 GMT -5 snipe said:

Salmons had some good seasons shooting the ball and had some outlier bad ones. But i think at his best he was better than a B- outside shooter maybe a bump to a B.

Yeah this is fine, C+ INS B- OUT probably wouldn't be good enough for him.

Apr 17, 2023 12:38:09 GMT -5 CC06 said:

Apr 17, 2023 10:06:50 GMT -5 dez said:

OJ Mayo B- inside. Was a 16-18pog scorer as a full time starter, I don’t think he’d be able to produce those numbers with his ratings as they are now, maybe also a slight boost in handle as well? Low C+ ?

Yeah I've already upped his scoring ratings. What's the argument for upping his handle? I think it's good where it is, it's a high C.

Bet. I was just including handle to help the scoring but if the ratings have already been bumped I agree with a high C

I would suggest bumping Dwight up to A defense. He won 3 DPOTYs and was arguably the most dominant defender of his era.

Rajon Rondo has made all defensive first team twice (4x all defense). He should be bumped up to B+ or A- defense. B is too low unless there's an FBB reason.

Nate Robinson has been a somewhat inconsistent shooter over his career. There may be an argument for him to have B- outside.

I also agree that Tyreke should have a B- handle.

Nick Young could warrant a B+ outside. He was a consistent shooter throughout his career ending on .376 from 3.

Channing Frye Deserves an A- out

CP3 deserves higher than B outside

Yi Jianlian had a better handle than D-. He could dribble but he had no vision, that’s at least a D. If he couldn’t dribble I’d understand a D-

Chris Paul - probably fine, peak (Hornets? Early Clippers?) CP3 was a nice inside scorer with all the floaters and layups and other stuff in the lane. Good shooter but not elite by any means. B B scoring feels correct to me just figured I’d add my two cents

Dwight - well covered here, I’m fine with him being a physical monster

KD - I know I shouldn’t base peak grades off of others in the league but in a VFO offense at PG, Gil with A- A- scoring with better handles only did 30ppg this year with moderate scoring talent around him. Given what KD is IRL, I think his peak grades should be higher… high B+ and mid A outside? Handles and defense and rebounding all may deserve moderate bumps too. Dude is literally a top 5 player of all time ****IN TERMS OF BODY+SKILL+TALENT**** so his peak grades I think should allow him to get there