2009 Rookie Draft Peak Grades

Oct 11, 2023 10:29:37 GMT -5 Icarus said:

James Johnson: Handles to C+, heavily weighted by a good passing grade. At his best (Heat point forward era in my opinion) he was able to serve as a de-facto creator for a mid Miami team and keep them competitive. Super underrated player. Also don’t think this does much to inflate his value or anything.

Alonzo Gee: I’d argue he’s closer to B+ defense than B- or C+… was used as a stopper primarily, and stuck around for a bit in that role. If he entered the draft in 2023 as a 20 year old I think he would have been a first rounder, the defensive versatility at his size seems to have been forgotten.

Oct 11, 2023 11:01:35 GMT -5 Icarus said:

Greg Monroe - Handling peak to C+ at least, not sure how much physical attributes are limiting this but his best trait is vision/playmaking. Sabonis-esque before Jokic and co, I’d like to think prime Monroe could have been a 15/10/7 type big in that role.

- James Johnson: I've given him a HAN boost, but it'd take way too much to get him all the way to a C+ grade.
- Alonzo Gee: I'll up him to B- DEF.
- Greg Monroe: I think you're greatly exaggerating here comparing him to some of the best passing bigs of all time.

Rudy Gay might be closer to a C+ rebounding. Seems like he peaked out around a 6-7 rebound guy in his career at his best. C might be too low

Taj Gibson was one of the better post defenders in the league in his prime. B defense and B- rebounding should be his peak ratings imo.

His per 36 numbers are really good. Even had a couple seasons where it was 2+bpg and around 10 boards

www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gibsota01.html

Dequan Cook: I think he should have B+ outside scoring. He would nearly qualify for our option manifesto as a #3 with his '08 and '09 number sand that's with under 25 mpg. To me, it suggests with more usage in our league, he'd qualify. He's got a better career 3P% than Jeremy Lin (also a B in outside) and Per 36 Minutes, Cook is close to double the 3PA as Lin for their careers.

Oct 11, 2023 17:32:26 GMT -5 CC06 said:

Oct 11, 2023 10:29:37 GMT -5 Icarus said:

James Johnson: Handles to C+, heavily weighted by a good passing grade. At his best (Heat point forward era in my opinion) he was able to serve as a de-facto creator for a mid Miami team and keep them competitive. Super underrated player. Also don’t think this does much to inflate his value or anything.

Alonzo Gee: I’d argue he’s closer to B+ defense than B- or C+… was used as a stopper primarily, and stuck around for a bit in that role. If he entered the draft in 2023 as a 20 year old I think he would have been a first rounder, the defensive versatility at his size seems to have been forgotten.

Oct 11, 2023 11:01:35 GMT -5 Icarus said:

Greg Monroe - Handling peak to C+ at least, not sure how much physical attributes are limiting this but his best trait is vision/playmaking. Sabonis-esque before Jokic and co, I’d like to think prime Monroe could have been a 15/10/7 type big in that role.

- James Johnson: I've given him a HAN boost, but it'd take way too much to get him all the way to a C+ grade.
- Alonzo Gee: I'll up him to B- DEF.
- Greg Monroe: I think you're greatly exaggerating here comparing him to some of the best passing bigs of all time.

www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/greg-monroe-triple-double

imagine if he was enabled


I’ll ask again!!!!!! Please bump his passing

Oct 12, 2023 10:45:37 GMT -5 shellystrick4l said:

Rudy Gay might be closer to a C+ rebounding. Seems like he peaked out around a 6-7 rebound guy in his career at his best. C might be too low

He never averaged more than 6.8 per game. He has had an uptick in rebounding late in his career, but it's coincided with him shifting to the PF, and I would call him a below average rebounder for that position. I'll give him a modest boost in defensive rebounding, but I think the C grade is fair.

Oct 12, 2023 11:16:54 GMT -5 aboogie said:

Taj Gibson was one of the better post defenders in the league in his prime. B defense and B- rebounding should be his peak ratings imo.

His per 36 numbers are really good. Even had a couple seasons where it was 2+bpg and around 10 boards

www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gibsota01.html

Both of these ratings are right on the fringe as is... I think they're fine given the guy who Taj was for most of his career.

Oct 12, 2023 11:38:41 GMT -5 mattynokes said:

Dequan Cook: I think he should have B+ outside scoring. He would nearly qualify for our option manifesto as a #3 with his '08 and '09 number sand that's with under 25 mpg. To me, it suggests with more usage in our league, he'd qualify. He's got a better career 3P% than Jeremy Lin (also a B in outside) and Per 36 Minutes, Cook is close to double the 3PA as Lin for their careers.

He's right on the fringe as it is. To me, there's just not that much of an appetite to give a one-point boost to a guy who was only in the league for 6 years as a backup. I think he's fine.

I’d maybe bump rubios inside up a letter grade since he really isn’t much of a three point shooter.

Let’s lower James Hardens defense. He never really gave effort on defense consistently enough to warrant that. I would consider C- peak. He sacrificed defense for his offensive game his entire career.

Oct 12, 2023 14:30:48 GMT -5 .inf said:

I’d maybe bump rubios inside up a letter grade since he really isn’t much of a three point shooter.

He wasn't much of a scorer period.

Oct 12, 2023 14:38:47 GMT -5 aboogie said:

Let’s lower James Hardens defense. He never really gave effort on defense consistently enough to warrant that. I would consider C- peak. He sacrificed defense for his offensive game his entire career.

As I mentioned before, his Stealing and Blocking ratings buoy him at C+ grade. He has very low fundamental defensive ratings.

Oct 2, 2023 8:36:09 GMT -5 CC06 said:

Change Log:
Change Log:
Al-Farouq Aminu OUT: B to B-
Alonzo Gee DEF: C+ to B-
Anthony Morrow OUT: B+ to A-
Avery Bradley OUT: B+ to B
Avery Bradley DEF: B- to B
DeAndre Jordan DEF: B- to B
DeMar DeRozan HAN: B- to B
Dennis Horner DEF: D to D+
Derrick Caracter INS: C- to C
Eric Blesdoe HAN: B+ to B
Eric Bledsoe DEF: A- to B+
Gerald Henderson INS: C+ to B-
Goran Dragic INS: C+ to B-
Goran Dragic OUT: B to B+
Greg Monroe INS: B- to B
James Johnson DEF: B to B-
Jrue Holiday INS: C+ to B-
Justin Williams REB: B+ to B-
Kosta Koufos INS: C to C+
Marcus Thornton INS: C to C+
Nikola Pekovic INS: C+ to B-
Patrick Beverley INS: C+ to C
Quincy Miller DEF: C to C+
Ramon Sessions HAN: C+ to B-
Serge Ibaka HAN: D to D+
Serge Ibaka DEF: B to B+
Taj Gibson INS: C+ to B-
Taj Gibson DEF: B- to B
Trey Gilder DEF: D+ to C-

Final changes