2010 Rookie Draft Peak Grades

Name Pos INS OUT HAN DEF REB
Aaron Jackson PG C C+ D+ D+ D
Alex Abrines SG C B+ D+ C D+
Alexey Shved SG C C+ C C C-
Andy Rautins SG C- C+ C- C- D
Antonio Anderson SG C- C- D+ C- D
Arinze Onuaku C C D- D C C+
Arnett Moultrie PF C C- F+ C- C+
Aron Baynes C C C+ D+ C+ B-
Austin Daye SF C B- D+ C C
Ben Uzoh PG C C- C C C-
Blake Griffin PF A- C+ C+ C+ B
Bobby Brown PG C- C+ C C D
Cameron Bairstow PF C C- D C C
Chris Johnson C C C- D C C
Chris Richard C C D+ D- C C
Cole Aldrich C C C- D C+ B-
D.J. Kennedy SG C C+ C- C- D+
Daniel Theis C C+ C+ D+ B- C+
Dante Cunningham PF C+ C D+ C+ C
Dennis Schroder PG C+ B B C+ C-
Derrick Favors PF B- C- D+ C+ B-
Dexter Pittman C C- D+ D- C- C+
Diante Garrett PG C C+ C- C D
Donte Greene SF C C+ D C C-
Enes Kanter C B- C D+ C A-
E'Twaun Moore SG C+ B C C C-
Evan Turner SF C+ C+ C+ C+ C
Gal Mekel PG C- C C C- D+
Gani Lawal PF C D+ D- C- C-
Gary Forbes SF C C+ C- C C-
Greg Oden C C+ D+ D B- B
Greivis Vasquez PG C B B- C C-
Hasheem Thabeet C C D+ D- C+ C+
Jacob Pullen PG C- C C C- D
James Anderson SG C B- C- C C-
James Southerland SF C C+ D C C-
Jerel McNeal SG C C+ C- C D+
Julian Wright SF C C- D+ C+ C
Justin Hamilton C C C+ D- C C
Justin Holiday SG C B C- C+ C-
Kostas Papanikolaou PF C C+ C- C C
Kyle Weaver SG C C+ C- C C-
Lance Stephenson SG B- C+ C C+ C
Lester Hudson PG C C+ C C+ C-
Luc Mbah a Moute SF C+ C D+ B- C
Malik Hairston SG C C- D+ C C-
Mario Chalmers PG C B C+ B D+
Maurice Harkless SF C+ C D+ B- C
Meyers Leonard C C B D+ C C
Mickell Gladness PF C D+ D- C C
Milos Teodosic PG C B+ C+ C- C-
Nate Wolters PG C C C C D+
Nikola Mirotic PF C+ B+ D+ C+ C+
Omri Casspi SF C B- D+ C C
Quincy Pondexter SF C B- D+ C+ C-
Rodrigue Beaubois PG C B- C C+ C-
Ryan Anderson PF C+ B+ D C C+
Scott Machado PG C C C+ C- D-
Sean Singletary PG C B- C- C D+
Shane Edwards SF C C- D C- C-
Solomon Alabi C C- C- F+ C C+
Sonny Weems SG C+ C C- C C-
Steven Hill C C- D F+ C- C
Taylor Griffin PF C C- D- C- C
Thaddeus Young PF B- C C- B- C
Tristan Thompson C B- C- D C+ B+
Tyler Honeycutt SF C C D+ C C
Vander Blue SG C C C- C- D+
Vernon Macklin C C D D- C C+
Viacheslav Kravtsov C C D- D C C
Wayne Ellington SG C B+ C- C C-
Wesley Matthews SG C+ B+ C B- C-
Will Barton SG C+ B C C+ C
Xavier Henry SF C+ C D+ C C-

Here's the 2010 Rookie Draft class, in full. Just as before, these are the estimated peak ratings for these prospects, not how they will come into the league. The ratings are here to be griped; not providing input won't make the league move on any faster.

Change Log:
Aaron Jackson DEF: D+ to C-
Alex Abrines OUT: B+ to B
Arnett Moultrie DEF: C- to C
Aron Baynes DEF: C+ to B-
Aron Baynes REB: B- to B
Ben Uzoh HAN: C to C+
Dennis Schroder OUT: B to B-
Dennis Schroder DEF: C+ to B-
Derrick Favors DEF: C+ to B-
Derrick Favors REB: B- to B
Enes Kanter INS: B- to B
E'Twaun Moore DEF: C to C+
Evan Turner HAN: C+ to B-
Evan Turner DEF: C+ to B-
Lance Stephenson HAN: C to C+
Luc Mbah a Moute DEF: B- to B
Maurice Harkless OUT: C to C+
Milos Teodosic HAN: C+ to B-
Meyers Leonard REB: C to C+
Tristan Thompson INS: B- to C+
Xavier Henry INS: C to C+

evan turner deserves a B- def, B- in, and B- handle, in his prime he was a 17 ppg guy on 6 apg as a hybrid wing/guard

Greg oden deserves a higher peak in, def, and reb. He never panned out as a pro but that was due to injuries and not the players actual skill. in his only semi healthy seasons he was close to a 10-10 guy when that actually mattered in the slower paced nba. I recommend he gets a B- peak in, B peak DEF and B+ peak REB.

Aron Baynes should have a B- def and a B reb he was a elite shot blocker and rebounder in his prime and gave bigs like embiid fits guarding them in the low post

Tristan Thompson’s rebounding could go down. At his peak he was a 6 rpg guy. His defense as a B- might be justified but his rebounding should be downgraded

Nov 6, 2023 13:09:22 GMT -5 shellystrick4l said:

Tristan Thompson’s rebounding could go down. At his peak he was a 6 rpg guy. His defense as a B- might be justified but his rebounding should be downgraded

I think you are looking at just defensive rebounds, sir. He averaged 10+ rebounds per game on multiple occassions.

Nov 6, 2023 13:12:46 GMT -5 CC06 said:

Nov 6, 2023 13:09:22 GMT -5 shellystrick4l said:

Tristan Thompson’s rebounding could go down. At his peak he was a 6 rpg guy. His defense as a B- might be justified but his rebounding should be downgraded

I think you are looking at just defensive rebounds, sir. He averaged 10+ rebounds per game on multiple occassions.

You’re right

His defense should be a B- tho

I don’t mind him being a turnover prone dribble queen but Lance Stephenson certainly degrees B- handles at worst. The amount of highlights and triple doubles he had in his career highlight this. Not saying he should be some elite ball handler, he SHOULD be turnover prone, but bump that grade up

Donte Greene’s peak should be around C+ B- D+ B C in my opinion. I realize that’s a lot of bumps. But I think he was a really solid all around guy who was a pretty plus defender in his time. Would have been your KD stopper type on most teams.

Harkless was an A- level defender. Won’t bother with his offense but he was an elite defensive player

Will the Thrill should be around a B- B- B- C C- peak in my opinion. Microwave sixth man

And lastly I think Blake should be a relatively high A- inside given his finishing skills throughout the paint and his insanely high athletic peak. A true A feels maybe too high but I’d argue his finishing bag was better than prime LeBron’s?

Andy Rautins to B- OUT: I know that you have said to not base attributes off of overseas ball but the guy played just 5 NBA games in his career for a total of 24 minutes and shot just 4 3s and 7 field goals in general in his entire career. Idk how you can justify any rating from his NBA career. Therefore, I will move to the overseas game in which he was employed strictly for his shooting ability. I think based on that a B- OUT is solid.

Alexey Shved to C- DEF:Complete negative on that side of the ball for his entire career. Don't know how he can be considered an average defender.

Aron Baynes to B- DEF: Imo during his peak he was an above servicable defender. Nothing extraordinary obviously but if guys like Alexey Shved who have been complete negatives throughout the entirety of their careers get a C DEF then I think that Baynes can get a B-.

Blake Griffin: If you consider his peak to be lob city then I think that C+ OUT is generous since he hadn't developed that area of his game yet. Derozan is a good example. Elite midrange shooter but got a C+ due to the lack of a 3 pointer. Blake also had that problem but also wasn't nearly as elite as Demar was at the midrange for him to warrant the same rating. If we are taking pre-injury Detroit as his peak then I think the INS could be lowered to B+ right on the fringe of A- since he wasn't as good of a finisher in Detroit, however, his HAN should be raised to a B- if not to a B (maybe fringe B so we meet in the middle). He was probably the best bigman playmaker in the league at that time so I think if you consider Detroit as his peak that the HAN rating is way too low.

Dennis Schroder to B- DEF: Schroder is one of the best POA defenders in the league. Great hands, great screen navigator and a smart charge taker. I think C+ is harsh and a B- would be better.

Derrick Favors to B REB: If we account for his best 5 years (14-18) he averaged 8 rebounds per game next to a top 5 rebounder in the league in Gobert. I think a B would be more suitable when accounting that he only cracked 30 mpg in only 3 of those 5 seasons. If we go by per 36 numbers then he is just shy of 10 rpg (9.6) in that 5 year span.

E'Twaun Moore to C+ DEF: Can't be having Moore on the same level defensively as Shved. Wasn't anything spectacular but could hold his own unlike Shved who has the same DEF rating.

Evan Turner to B- INS and B- HAN: I think that having Turner at a C+ INS while it was his primary scoring outlet in a season where he averaged 14 ppg in a little harsh. He was also a solid point-forward who peaked at 6 apg. While assists don't say everything the fact that he was ran as a point-forward unlike someone like KD who has similar apg numbers shows that he was a capable playmaker. C+ is just 1 rating above specialists like E'Twaun Moore and I don't think that a 1 rating gap reflects the true difference between the 2 playmaking wise. Especially since Turner was pretty athletic too so he won't have any problems with quickness.

Greg Oden B- INS: Injuries ruined him, never showed his true potential but averaging almost 12 ppg per 23.5 mpg as a pure inside center in a slower paced era should account for something. I would say that him and Kanter were similar post scorers but Enes is at a B-.

Mario Chalmers to B- DEF and B- OUT: Mario Chalmers 2 ratibgs above Dennis Schroder defensively when I am not even sure if he is better than him is crazy. I don't understand this one. Maybe his steal rating boosts his rating? Still too high. OUT at a B is also questionable. 35% for his career from 3 on just 3 attempts a game without him being a great midrange shooter either (Schroder is again a better midrange shooter both from 10-16 and 16-3p). B- would be better imo.

Milos Teodosic to B- HAN: Even on his last legs he was far from mediocre playmaking wise even in the way more fast paced NBA game. Almost 5 apg in his only somewhat healthy season in the league warrants a higher playmaking grade than that of Scott Machado who played a whopping 10 games in his entire nba career. Without even accounting for overseas ball (which would obviously boom him up to a B+ at the minimum), C+ is too low for such a gifted playmaker. Quickness is prob not there but his passing should make quickness a non-factor.

Thaddeus Young to C HAN: I would argue he is closer to C+ than he is to C-. A C will suffice. He was a pretty solid playmaker for the entirety of his career. Numbers don't show it since his career average is just below 2 apg but if you watched him play he was a good low post playmaker. Don't think he deserves the same rating as Tristan Thompson on that.

Tristan Thompson to B- DEF: Solid defender, not amazing but definetely above average. I would say that he is a similar defender to Daniel Theis who is rated at B-. Since i don't disagree with Theis' rating i think bumping Tristan up would make the most sense.

Will Barton to B- DEF: Once again making the Shved comparison, Barton at his peak was way better than Shved on that end. A simple 1 rating difference does not show the true gap these 2 players had as defenders. Barton was often assigned the 2nd hardest perimeter matchup whilst in Denver just behind Gary Harris. B- would be more suited for him.

Schroder def should have a higher def. Solid defender sticky at the poa and competes like crazy.

Blake Griffin
I would argue that both his outside shooting and handling should both go up due to his time in Detroit. He was essentially their point guard as he was taking the ball up the court every single possession and had an assist-turnover ratio just like an above average point guard. His shooting especially I think needs to be elevated as he was shooting above league average from 3 on 7 attempts a game in 2018-2019. I do understand that his time in Detroit was a rather short lived part of his career but that peak of shooting and playmaking warrants more than both a C+ in both areas of outside shooting and playmaking.

Nov 6, 2023 13:06:32 GMT -5 licensedbullshark said:

evan turner deserves a B- def, B- in, and B- handle, in his prime he was a 17 ppg guy on 6 apg as a hybrid wing/guard

Greg oden deserves a higher peak in, def, and reb. He never panned out as a pro but that was due to injuries and not the players actual skill. in his only semi healthy seasons he was close to a 10-10 guy when that actually mattered in the slower paced nba. I recommend he gets a B- peak in, B peak DEF and B+ peak REB.

Aron Baynes should have a B- def and a B reb he was a elite shot blocker and rebounder in his prime and gave bigs like embiid fits guarding them in the low post

- Evan Turner: Definitely do not recall him ever averaging 17 PPG and 6 APG. He did put up very empty scoring numbers (17 PPG, maybe this is what you were referring to?) on the process 76ers before getting traded away mid-season, but I think we can both agree that this is a little different than being a 17 PPG scorer over a long stretch of serious basketball. All of these ratings are right on the fringe and I think that encapsulates Evan Turner pretty well, but I will consider upping his DEF grade.

- Greg Oden: I was as big of a fan of Oden as a prospect as anybody, but unfortunately I've been pretty consistent in creating the guys to what they accomplished in real life. I do think this Oden build can get to the numbers you pointed to, and if the potential randomization takes over, then he has a chance of being very good. We've already seen this happen for guys like Jay Williams and Dajuan Wagner.

- Aron Baynes: I'm fine with upping his DEF grade. His rebounding feels right.

Thanks for the gripes.

Nov 6, 2023 13:49:52 GMT -5 Icarus said:

I don’t mind him being a turnover prone dribble queen but Lance Stephenson certainly degrees B- handles at worst. The amount of highlights and triple doubles he had in his career highlight this. Not saying he should be some elite ball handler, he SHOULD be turnover prone, but bump that grade up

Donte Greene’s peak should be around C+ B- D+ B C in my opinion. I realize that’s a lot of bumps. But I think he was a really solid all around guy who was a pretty plus defender in his time. Would have been your KD stopper type on most teams.

Harkless was an A- level defender. Won’t bother with his offense but he was an elite defensive player

Will the Thrill should be around a B- B- B- C C- peak in my opinion. Microwave sixth man

And lastly I think Blake should be a relatively high A- inside given his finishing skills throughout the paint and his insanely high athletic peak. A true A feels maybe too high but I’d argue his finishing bag was better than prime LeBron’s?

- Lance Stephenson: B- HAN is way too high for him, he was not that kind of passer and that is the primary rating that drives the grade. He was right on the C / C+ fringe so I'm fine giving him the small boost over, but can't go any further than that.

- Donte Greene: You're just asking me to write complete fan fiction at this point. Donte Greene didn't survive in the NBA past his rookie contract, and you want me a make him a good player? Not happening.

- Maurice Harkless: A- is the highest DEF grade anybody has gotten. Do you think Mo Harkless was on par with Ben Wallace, Ron Artest, Tony Allen, etc. defensively? I can assure you he was not.

- Will Barton: He's a microwave sixth man as it is now. The players who have actually hit their primes in the past several years... you're going to see them start to have lower INS grades and higher OUT grades just because that's the direction the NBA has gone. His INS grade is right on the fringe as it is and the HAN grade is also on the C / C+ fringe. I will consider where they should fall.

- Blake Griffin: He's already a high A- INS grade so no issues there.

Nov 6, 2023 14:05:25 GMT -5 nickmolyvia said:

Andy Rautins to B- OUT: I know that you have said to not base attributes off of overseas ball but the guy played just 5 NBA games in his career for a total of 24 minutes and shot just 4 3s and 7 field goals in general in his entire career. Idk how you can justify any rating from his NBA career. Therefore, I will move to the overseas game in which he was employed strictly for his shooting ability. I think based on that a B- OUT is solid.

Alexey Shved to C- DEF:Complete negative on that side of the ball for his entire career. Don't know how he can be considered an average defender.

Aron Baynes to B- DEF: Imo during his peak he was an above servicable defender. Nothing extraordinary obviously but if guys like Alexey Shved who have been complete negatives throughout the entirety of their careers get a C DEF then I think that Baynes can get a B-.

Blake Griffin: If you consider his peak to be lob city then I think that C+ OUT is generous since he hadn't developed that area of his game yet. Derozan is a good example. Elite midrange shooter but got a C+ due to the lack of a 3 pointer. Blake also had that problem but also wasn't nearly as elite as Demar was at the midrange for him to warrant the same rating. If we are taking pre-injury Detroit as his peak then I think the INS could be lowered to B+ right on the fringe of A- since he wasn't as good of a finisher in Detroit, however, his HAN should be raised to a B- if not to a B (maybe fringe B so we meet in the middle). He was probably the best bigman playmaker in the league at that time so I think if you consider Detroit as his peak that the HAN rating is way too low.

Dennis Schroder to B- DEF: Schroder is one of the best POA defenders in the league. Great hands, great screen navigator and a smart charge taker. I think C+ is harsh and a B- would be better.

Derrick Favors to B REB: If we account for his best 5 years (14-18) he averaged 8 rebounds per game next to a top 5 rebounder in the league in Gobert. I think a B would be more suitable when accounting that he only cracked 30 mpg in only 3 of those 5 seasons. If we go by per 36 numbers then he is just shy of 10 rpg (9.6) in that 5 year span.

E'Twaun Moore to C+ DEF: Can't be having Moore on the same level defensively as Shved. Wasn't anything spectacular but could hold his own unlike Shved who has the same DEF rating.

Evan Turner to B- INS and B- HAN: I think that having Turner at a C+ INS while it was his primary scoring outlet in a season where he averaged 14 ppg in a little harsh. He was also a solid point-forward who peaked at 6 apg. While assists don't say everything the fact that he was ran as a point-forward unlike someone like KD who has similar apg numbers shows that he was a capable playmaker. C+ is just 1 rating above specialists like E'Twaun Moore and I don't think that a 1 rating gap reflects the true difference between the 2 playmaking wise. Especially since Turner was pretty athletic too so he won't have any problems with quickness.

Going to address this in two parts because there's so many (thank you for that):

- Andy Rautins: Trust me, I know Rautins was a shooter dating all the way back to his time at Syracuse. It's hard for me to give ratings to a guy that could make him stick in the league when he simply did not do that in real life.

- Alexey Shved: He's a C DEF grade now, there's nothing here saying that he's average or even anywhere close.

- Aron Baynes: Already done above.

- Blake Griffin: It's hard finding the sweet spot for Blake because he has two very different phases of his career. To me, peak Blake will always be pre-injury Lob City version, but I still want to give him credit for the skill development later in his career too. It's tough finding the balance but trust me when I say both versions will be considered.

- Dennis Schroder: I think that this is a very gross exaggeration of Schroder's defensive abilities. Yes he can heat up the ball when locked in but his effort definitely wanes on that end and he has a ton of seasons where the metrics cite him as a negative defender.

- Derrick Favors: 8 rebounders per game during that stretch certainly doesn't qualify for a B grade, but you do raise a good point that he was playing next to Gobert for some of that. His DEF and REB grades are both right on the fringe... honestly I feel more inclined to boost the former than the latter but I understand your argument and will dwell on it.

- E'Twaun Moore: Wasn't griped before but I have already done this.

- Evan Turner: I already addressed this above. As I said there, it's really hard for me to give significant credence to Evan Turner scoring 17 PPG on the 76ers during "The Process". For context, whenever Michael Carter-Williams rolls around, I similarly won't be creating him to be the 17/6/6 guard that he was in his rookie year. Team success is factored in here. With that said, the INS grade is right near the fringe.

Will get to the second half later.

Nov 6, 2023 14:05:25 GMT -5 nickmolyvia said:

Greg Oden B- INS: Injuries ruined him, never showed his true potential but averaging almost 12 ppg per 23.5 mpg as a pure inside center in a slower paced era should account for something. I would say that him and Kanter were similar post scorers but Enes is at a B-.

Mario Chalmers to B- DEF and B- OUT: Mario Chalmers 2 ratibgs above Dennis Schroder defensively when I am not even sure if he is better than him is crazy. I don't understand this one. Maybe his steal rating boosts his rating? Still too high. OUT at a B is also questionable. 35% for his career from 3 on just 3 attempts a game without him being a great midrange shooter either (Schroder is again a better midrange shooter both from 10-16 and 16-3p). B- would be better imo.

Milos Teodosic to B- HAN: Even on his last legs he was far from mediocre playmaking wise even in the way more fast paced NBA game. Almost 5 apg in his only somewhat healthy season in the league warrants a higher playmaking grade than that of Scott Machado who played a whopping 10 games in his entire nba career. Without even accounting for overseas ball (which would obviously boom him up to a B+ at the minimum), C+ is too low for such a gifted playmaker. Quickness is prob not there but his passing should make quickness a non-factor.

Thaddeus Young to C HAN: I would argue he is closer to C+ than he is to C-. A C will suffice. He was a pretty solid playmaker for the entirety of his career. Numbers don't show it since his career average is just below 2 apg but if you watched him play he was a good low post playmaker. Don't think he deserves the same rating as Tristan Thompson on that.

Tristan Thompson to B- DEF: Solid defender, not amazing but definetely above average. I would say that he is a similar defender to Daniel Theis who is rated at B-. Since i don't disagree with Theis' rating i think bumping Tristan up would make the most sense.

Will Barton to B- DEF: Once again making the Shved comparison, Barton at his peak was way better than Shved on that end. A simple 1 rating difference does not show the true gap these 2 players had as defenders. Barton was often assigned the 2nd hardest perimeter matchup whilst in Denver just behind Gary Harris. B- would be more suited for him.

Continuing on...

- Greg Oden: I definitely think there should be some separation between Kanter and Oden as scorers. As I mentioned above, I only edit prospects to what they showed in real life, and to your credit you've only cited real life with Oden here, but Kanter's scoring volume and efficiency is far superior.

- Mario Chalmers: Should clarify that he's right on the B- / B fringe for his DEF grade and his Stealing rating is definitely what's pushing him over, but I also absolutely do think Chalmers was a better and more consistent defender than Schroder. As for OUT grade, he was 38.7% on 3.6 attempts per game during the LeBron years. Had some up-and-down years before and after that, but still shot 35.8% for his career before the Achilles injury. Also respectably shot > 40% from mid-range for his career by my calculations.

- Milos Teodosic: Definitely another case where I'm only creating him based on what he was in the league, and obviously he came very late in his career. I'm fine giving him a bit of a Passing boost, though. Also do want to give some respect to Scott Machado, who I believe led the NCAA in assists his final year at Iona.

- Thaddeus Young: I know he has always had passing ability but there's really not too much showing it on the stat sheet, outside of one massive outlier year in Brooklyn. I've given him a nice playmaking boost but can't budge the grade.

- Tristan Thompson: To me, I think he's greatly overrated defensively by the general masses because he was good at switching in those Warriors series. He was not a good rim protector by any means. I think high C+ DEF is fair.

- Will Barton: Barton up to B- DEF feels too high considering guys like Thaddeus Young, Wes Matthews, and Evan Turner are there. I think C+ DEF is fair.

Thanks again for the gripes, your efforts are greatly appreciated.

Nov 7, 2023 0:45:46 GMT -5 snipe said:

Schroder def should have a higher def. Solid defender sticky at the poa and competes like crazy.

Addressed above. I see the argument, but I also think the effort has been far too inconsistent over his career.

Nov 7, 2023 13:14:45 GMT -5 thegreatkylini said:

Blake Griffin
I would argue that both his outside shooting and handling should both go up due to his time in Detroit. He was essentially their point guard as he was taking the ball up the court every single possession and had an assist-turnover ratio just like an above average point guard. His shooting especially I think needs to be elevated as he was shooting above league average from 3 on 7 attempts a game in 2018-2019. I do understand that his time in Detroit was a rather short lived part of his career but that peak of shooting and playmaking warrants more than both a C+ in both areas of outside shooting and playmaking.

As I mentioned in response to Nick's gripes, it's important to find the balance of Lob City Blake and Detroit Blake. If I just peaked out his ratings for both based on two completely different phases of his career, he'd be absolutely cracked... there has to be a balance and that's something that I'm currently weighing. Thank you for the gripe.

Nov 6, 2023 12:45:11 GMT -5 CC06 said:

Change Log:
Aron Baynes DEF: C+ to B-
Derrick Favors DEF: C+ to B-
E'Twaun Moore DEF: C to C+
Evan Turner DEF: C+ to B-
Lance Stephenson HAN: C to C+
Luc Mbah a Moute DEF: B- to B
Milos Teodosic HAN: C+ to B-

Early change log.

Alex Abrines B+ outside seems high for him

Arnett Moultrie would argue for c defense over c-

Austin Daye could be a b level shooting given his percentages

Dennis Schroder i know you addressed this before but i just would like to echo that he feels like a b- defender when i do see him but understand that advanced don't back this up

Derrick Favors just wanted to add that he has his best rebounding year in his prime the year he left the jazz. i think that he deserves the b rebounding grade.


Enes Kanter would argue for a b inside given his good percentages, as well as b+ rebounding, i think A- might be too high

Nikola Mirotic his rebounding was better than i remembered. could be b- here?

Aron Baynes - I could see a solid B for peak rebounding. His per 36 numbers are pretty solid there. I don't think that's a skill issue as much as a PT one.

Daniel Theis - Could see a B_ for rebounding here as well

Derrick Favors - I don't think a B Inside at his peak is unfair. He was good enough to be a third option at his best.

Greg Oden - I hope his block rating is crazy if his peak is a B- defensively

Hasheem Thabeet - Another situation I hope his block rate is crazy in. More PT based numbers than opportunity on him as well, defense and rebounding I could see fringe B-

Evan Turner - B- Inside scoring feels more appropriate, the handling was solid too for his career but I'm assuming the C+ is fair in individual ratings.

Tristan Thompson - Could see A- rebounding at his peak, he was SOLID at that

Kanter B Inside
Automatic bucket in the paint

Harkless C+ Outside
Was as good a shooter as Evan Turner in comparison

Thad Young C Handle
Developed into a solid playmaking wing

Oden B- Inside
Better inside scorer then Tristan Thompson by comparison, w they should both probably be C+ but I don’t argue players down

Arnett Moultrie - yes he played on one of the worst teams ever and that’s a huge reason he got the playing time to accumulate some okay stats, but I feel his shot blocking / defense were good enough to deserve a bump from C peak.

Meyers Leonard - yes he said something that was bad! But if we’re rating him as a basketball player, he was an efficient rebounder and shot blocker per minute. More than his C C peak gives him credit for.

Sonny Weems and Vander Blue both deserve a bit more credit as outside shooters in my mind!

Jacob Pullen probably deserves an outside scoring bump

C+ inside might be a little too high for Ryan Anderson. He might be tall but he got his buckets around the perimeter.

Ben Uzoh handles can be justified at C+. He was a decent passer when he was given proper minutes.

Evan Turner handle is too low. Guy had moments or times where he was a secondary handler or point forward of sorts. Abrines was a B plus outside shooter not B +. That’s bordering on elite shooter territory. Would raise Blake’s handling some as I always felt he could be a secondary handler and displayed that ability when Chris was gone. I’d raise Aldrich and Theis defensive rating to B -. Kanter’s defensive rating should be lowered. Luc should peak as a B defender. I’d switch harkless’s offensive ratings honestly.

Nov 15, 2023 13:35:18 GMT -5 leflop said:

Alex Abrines B+ outside seems high for him

Arnett Moultrie would argue for c defense over c-

Austin Daye could be a b level shooting given his percentages

Dennis Schroder i know you addressed this before but i just would like to echo that he feels like a b- defender when i do see him but understand that advanced don't back this up

Derrick Favors just wanted to add that he has his best rebounding year in his prime the year he left the jazz. i think that he deserves the b rebounding grade.


Enes Kanter would argue for a b inside given his good percentages, as well as b+ rebounding, i think A- might be too high

Nikola Mirotic his rebounding was better than i remembered. could be b- here?

- Alex Abrines: Fine with downgrading to B OUT.

- Arnett Moultrie: Fine with upgrading to C DEF.

- Austin Daye: Going to stick with B- OUT, but he's near the B fringe.

- Dennis Schroder: Fine with bumping to B- DEF and downgrading to B- OUT.

- Derrick Favors: Fine with bumping him right over the fringe to B REB.

- Enes Kanter: Fine with upgrading to B INS.

- Nikola Mirotic: He was a good defensive rebounder but not offensive because he was always standing out at the three-point line, and unfortunately that's half the grade. The individual ratings will reflect both of these things, but I can't justify changing the grade.

Thanks for the gripes.

Nov 18, 2023 11:07:36 GMT -5 stunna said:

Aron Baynes - I could see a solid B for peak rebounding. His per 36 numbers are pretty solid there. I don't think that's a skill issue as much as a PT one.

Daniel Theis - Could see a B_ for rebounding here as well

Derrick Favors - I don't think a B Inside at his peak is unfair. He was good enough to be a third option at his best.

Greg Oden - I hope his block rating is crazy if his peak is a B- defensively

Hasheem Thabeet - Another situation I hope his block rate is crazy in. More PT based numbers than opportunity on him as well, defense and rebounding I could see fringe B-

Evan Turner - B- Inside scoring feels more appropriate, the handling was solid too for his career but I'm assuming the C+ is fair in individual ratings.

Tristan Thompson - Could see A- rebounding at his peak, he was SOLID at that

- Aron Baynes: Fine with bumping to B REB.

- Daniel Theis: Don't see the argument for a bump on this one, I think C+ REB is fair.

- Derrick Favors: I don't see why he wouldn't be able to get to third-option eligibility at B- INS so long as he's given the opportunity.

- Greg Oden: Can promise it's good.

- Hasheem Thabeet: Very high as well, higher than Oden's in fact.

- Evan Turner: I think I'm closer to upping the HAN grade than I am the INS grade; he did put up points for "The Process" 76ers but like I explained above, you have to take that with a bit of a grain of salt.

- Tristan Thompson: Great offensive rebounder and a very good defensive rebounder, I think B+ REB is fair for that.

Thanks for the gripes.

Nov 26, 2023 11:46:35 GMT -5 dez said:

Kanter B Inside
Automatic bucket in the paint

Harkless C+ Outside
Was as good a shooter as Evan Turner in comparison

Thad Young C Handle
Developed into a solid playmaking wing

Oden B- Inside
Better inside scorer then Tristan Thompson by comparison, w they should both probably be C+ but I don’t argue players down

- Enes Kanter: Already done.

- Maurice Harkless: Fine with bumping him up to C+ OUT.

- Thaddeus Young: Already addressed this one above.

- Greg Oden: I'll bump Oden's Inside Scoring rating but I'm going to stick with a C+ INS grade. Thompson has an edge off of his Jumping rating, but I actually do agree he should go down to C+ INS.

Thanks for the gripes.

Nov 28, 2023 12:57:25 GMT -5 Icarus said:

Arnett Moultrie - yes he played on one of the worst teams ever and that’s a huge reason he got the playing time to accumulate some okay stats, but I feel his shot blocking / defense were good enough to deserve a bump from C peak.

Meyers Leonard - yes he said something that was bad! But if we’re rating him as a basketball player, he was an efficient rebounder and shot blocker per minute. More than his C C peak gives him credit for.

Sonny Weems and Vander Blue both deserve a bit more credit as outside shooters in my mind!

Jacob Pullen probably deserves an outside scoring bump

- Arnett Moultrie: Already bumped him from C- to C DEF grade above.

- Meyers Leonard: I'll agree that he could go up to C+ REB. Defensively, his fundamentals are solid enough to make him playable but the Blocking and Stealing numbers just aren't there.

- Sonny Weems / Vander Blue / Jacob Pullen: I'll give them all modest Three-Point Shooting boosts but I don't think any deserve a rating bump.

Thanks for the gripes.

Nov 28, 2023 14:00:24 GMT -5 shellystrick4l said:

C+ inside might be a little too high for Ryan Anderson. He might be tall but he got his buckets around the perimeter.

Nov 28, 2023 14:16:17 GMT -5 shellystrick4l said:

Ben Uzoh handles can be justified at C+. He was a decent passer when he was given proper minutes.

- Ryan Anderson: I actually disagree, I think he had more post capabilities than you're remembering.

- Ben Uzoh: Fine with this.

Thanks for the gripes.

Nov 29, 2023 11:53:00 GMT -5 tyo said:

Evan Turner handle is too low. Guy had moments or times where he was a secondary handler or point forward of sorts. Abrines was a B plus outside shooter not B +. That’s bordering on elite shooter territory. Would raise Blake’s handling some as I always felt he could be a secondary handler and displayed that ability when Chris was gone. I’d raise Aldrich and Theis defensive rating to B -. Kanter’s defensive rating should be lowered. Luc should peak as a B defender. I’d switch harkless’s offensive ratings honestly.

- Evan Turner: Fine with bumping to B- HAN grade.

- Alex Abrines: Already did this above.

- Blake Griffin: He'll definitely be able to play-make, as I've mentioned before it's just hard to get their HAN grade higher than C+ due to Quickness rating, among other things. But he can pass for sure.

- Cole Aldrich: I'm just not sure a big who was barely even a rotation guy during his career outside of 1-2 seasons needs a boost anywhere.

- Enes Kanter: I promise you he's shit on that end.

- Luc Mbah a Moute: I already bumped him.

- Maurice Harkless: Already upped his OUT grade to C+ so I guess that's in line with what you were saying. I don't agree with lowering his INS grade, though.

Thanks for the gripes.

Nov 6, 2023 12:45:11 GMT -5 CC06 said:

Change Log:
Aaron Jackson DEF: D+ to C-
Alex Abrines OUT: B+ to B
Arnett Moultrie DEF: C- to C
Aron Baynes DEF: C+ to B-
Aron Baynes REB: B- to B
Ben Uzoh HAN: C to C+
Dennis Schroder OUT: B to B-
Dennis Schroder DEF: C+ to B-
Derrick Favors DEF: C+ to B-
Derrick Favors REB: B- to B
Enes Kanter INS: B- to B
E'Twaun Moore DEF: C to C+
Evan Turner HAN: C+ to B-
Evan Turner DEF: C+ to B-
Lance Stephenson HAN: C to C+
Luc Mbah a Moute DEF: B- to B
Maurice Harkless OUT: C to C+
Milos Teodosic HAN: C+ to B-
Meyers Leonard REB: C to C+
Tristan Thompson INS: B- to C+
Xavier Henry INS: C to C+

Final change log.